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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 12:32 AM
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I'd really like to see an AWD beetle, I've kinda always had the idea that they would have some really sketchy handling in RWD.
I've owned two of them, a '71 and a '76. At 36-50HP (depending on year) they don't have nearly enough power to be dangerous on-throttle in a turn, and to be completely honest, the later-model ones (after they changed from the swingaxle design to the CV-based design in '69 or '70) aren't even that twitchy in trail-braking through a turn. I only spun mine once, and that was when I was really coming into a turn with way too much speed.

During WWII, VW produced a number of jeep-like vehicles for the German army (they were the inspiration for the Type 181 aka "Thing" in later years) and some of the later Kübelsitzwagens were built with AWD. These were quite popular with the Afrika Korps in Tunisia.



Originally Posted by Gearhead_318
Right, but if you froze time (time like we know it here on earth) then the universe would have expanded to a quantifiable size, and therefor is not infinite, in fact I think we'd find that it's finite.
Ok, but if the universe is both finite and expanding, then what lies beyond it? What space is it expanding into?

This is the kind of thing that honestly keeps me up at night.
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 12:44 AM
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If you were walking down a sidewalk that self generated at a rate of a foot a minute for an infinite amount of time, you could reach the end of it for a given time until it expanded again. Oversimplified, the universe is the same way, but at a much higher speed.
But what if once you reached that end, you found out there was another sidewalk, and when you reached the end, another one, and another, and another.

Just because you reach the end of our local universe, doesn't mean it's the end of the universe.
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 12:44 AM
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Ok, but if the universe is both finite and expanding, then what lies beyond it? What space is it expanding into?

This is the kind of thing that honestly keeps me up at night.
The mega-universe obviously. Which is infinite.
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FRT_Fun
But what if once you reached that end, you found out there was another sidewalk, and when you reached the end, another one, and another, and another.

Just because you reach the end of our local universe, doesn't mean it's the end of the universe.
What exactly is a "local universe"? Everything contained in our "universe" is considered a universe. Anything we find the further out we go is just more of our universe. Unless you somehow found a way to some kind of parallel universe, separate from our own.
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 12:53 AM
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We are located in our local universe. Which is inside a mega-universe. OBVIOUSLY! Can we just make this a thread or what.
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez

Ok, but if the universe is both finite and expanding, then what lies beyond it? What space is it expanding into?

This is the kind of thing that honestly keeps me up at night.
Me too Joe, me too. My best guess would be nothing lies beyond it. No matter, no space or time, just nothing. I'd love to see that leading edge of expansion, I bet there is some mind exploding **** going on out there.
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by FRT_Fun
We are located in our local universe. Which is inside a mega-universe. OBVIOUSLY! Can we just make this a thread or what.
Says who?

And yes, a thread relating to space would easily fill my day and night here.
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
Ok, but if the universe is both finite and expanding, then what lies beyond it? What space is it expanding into?

This is the kind of thing that honestly keeps me up at night.
I remember the first night I thought about this is college very well.
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 01:00 AM
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Yeah, somebody make this into a thread ASAP. I'll bring the "Through the Wormhole w/ Morgan Freeman" episodes.

Also: theoretical time travel. OOO YAY
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy
Says who?

And yes, a thread relating to space would easily fill my day and night here.
Says me! There really is no right or wrong answer...
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by FRT_Fun
There really is no right or wrong answer...
It's Lupus. It's never Lupus here so maybe it is there.
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by FRT_Fun
Says me! There really is no right or wrong answer...
Well, there is a right answer, we just don't have it. But there are good and bad hypotheses relating to this sort of discussion.
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy
Well, there is a right answer, we just don't have it. But there are good and bad hypotheses relating to this sort of discussion.
If you are insinuating that my (not really mine, someones) hypotheses is bad, please elaborate.
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 01:21 AM
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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by FRT_Fun
If you are insinuating that my (not really mine, someones) hypotheses is bad, please elaborate.
No, I am not. I'm just saying there are well informed guesses, and there are way out of left field guesses. Could the way out of left field guess be the actual truth, sure. But there is probably a better chance that the well informed, much discussed and researched guess is correct. Meaning a hypothesis that magical pink ponies created the universe with glitter and plastic forks, is what I would consider a "bad hypothesis". Where as a hypothesis coming from a well educated scientist who has devoted his life to research, is probably considered a "good hypothesis".

In short, there is a correct answer out of the nearly infinite wrongs. There are also good and bad hypotheses relating to the workings of the universe.

If this thread is named anything but "Space, the final frontier" you all should be killed.
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy
Well, there is a right answer, we just don't have it. But there are good and bad hypotheses relating to this sort of discussion.
:brain malfunction cant compute infinity: brain made for finitive surroundings, no survival benefit to compute the infinite.

As in, the human eye only sees a small part of the light spectrum.

Bring survival benefit (hard), wait two million years (boring), get answers.

Or just get really really cool supertelescopes, have stable psyche.
Edit: and hope that the border to nothingress radiates

Old Dec 27, 2011 | 07:59 AM
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Finally, a picture.







Old Dec 27, 2011 | 10:00 AM
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Freedom of speech does not protect people spreading rumors that Lil' Wayne is in the building:



**** is worse than yelling fire in a crowded building.
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 10:03 AM
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Freedom of speech does not protect people spreading rumors that Lil' Wayne is in the building:



**** is worse than yelling fire in a crowded building.
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Gearhead_318
Yes, but if the universe is ever expanding then it must have limits, and therefor can not be infinite.
Originally Posted by FRT_Fun
If it's always expanding it wouldn't have a limit. Since you would not be at the end EVER.
You miss the point of the image, and therefor you fail.


Edit: on a side note, I regret posting that picture.



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