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Old 01-17-2013, 11:22 PM   #1
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I just wanted to let you know that Captain Dallas approves of your avatar.





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Actually, I just noticed something. In Dallas' bio, he is listed as having served aboard US.S.C.S Shusett, a vessel registered to the Tyrell Corporation.

How have I managed to not see this glaringly obvious easter egg until 27 years later?
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it appears maybe you missed that fact in the short stint when you had a friend to hang out with.
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this is interesting, where is this from?
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I just wanted to let you know that Captain Dallas approves of your avatar.
I'm glad someone noticed.

If you had any idea how much I was into this. I'd sell my ***** to work for Weyland Yutani. Hell, I'd settle to be crew on the Nostromo and be bunk mates with Ash. In all fairness, I don't think the Hyperdyne Systems 120-A/2 deserves all the hate it received. The system worked....

Joe, I uploaded my facebook cover for you. Try not to giggle too much.
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Joe, I think he would approve of my avatar.

You know, Dallas really did all he could do. I'd honestly say I would crew for him. Kane is the lucky one. Sounds weird, but I think Kane's luck was being able to avoid the events to occur on the Nostromo (I know, sounds bad even put that way).

And it's hard to blame Ash for letting him on board. Think about it.... xenomorphs. Imagine what we could do with a single hive of face huggers and some select species from our planet.

Newborn anyone?

Edit: Both posts make it seem like I'm rooting for Weyland Yutani and the actions of Ash but, I think you'll understand what I'm trying to say.
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it appears maybe you missed that fact in the short stint when you had a friend to hang out with.
Oh, yeah. Those were the days. Sometimes when I lie in bed at night, I can still hear that gurgling, choking sound she made as the life oozed out of her tattered body.


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this is interesting, where is this from?
In the Aliens movies, Weyland-Yutani is the name of a gigantic, corrupt, multinational conglomerate which functions as a de-facto state. They have investments in military research, heavy manufacturing, children's toys, energy production, shipbuilding, bulk space cargo transport, healthcare, financial services and terraforming. (I'm probably missing a bunch of others.)

Basically, imagine if Google, Microsoft, Toyota, Boeing, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Raytheon, Meyer Werft, IBM, Harris, Blackwater, Wal-Mart, Exxon, Proctor & Gamble, General Electric, Samsung, Morgan-Stanley and the Dutch East India Company all merged together into one giant corporation, with Gordon Gekko as CEO. Their motto is "Building Better Worlds."




In the first film (1979), Capt. Dallas was the captain of Nostromo, a deep-space heavy cargo transport on its way back to earth with a load of ore. It encounters the Alien, everyone dies except for Sigourney Weaver, etc. The Nostramo was owned and operated by Weyland-Yutani.

In the second film, Weaver has been rescued from the little escape pod in which she'd been drifting through space (in hibernation) for more than 50 years. She is brought back to earth, and subsequently grilled by Weyland's insurance / liability folks, on the grounds that she did, in fact, blow up the ship and destroy its cargo (she did this at the end of the first film, in order to kill the Alien and escape.)

During that scene, the screenshot posted above is briefly shown as part of a bio on all of the other members of the Nostramo crew who perished. You will note that Dallas is listed as having previously served aboard a ship owned by the Tyrell Corporation prior to his employment with Weyland-Yutani.


This is an easter egg. In the movie Blade Runner, which came out a couple of years prior to the sequel to Alien, the Tyrell Corporation is depicted as being somewhat similar to Weyland-Yutani. They are a massive company with shady business relationships. Tyrell is involved in various unspecified "off-world" activities, and has, among other things, engineered an entire race of synthetic humanoids (officially called Replicants, informally known as skin-jobs) which act as a sort of slave class.


Bonus trivia:

In the 2004-2009 Battlestar Galactica TV series, the humanoid Cylons are sometimes pejoratively referred to as "skin jobs" by the human colonists. The origin of the Cylons, from the point of view of the colonists, is the same as that of the Replicants from the point of view of the humans in Blade Runner; prior to rebelling, they had been created as a servant-class and sold as commercial products.




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I'm glad someone noticed.

If you had any idea how much I was into this. I'd sell my ***** to work for Weyland Yutani. Hell, I'd settle to be crew on the Nostromo and be bunk mates with Ash. In all fairness, I don't think the Hyperdyne Systems 120-A/2 deserves all the hate it received. The system worked....
Ok. I know this is going to be hard for everyone else to believe, but you are waaaaaaay more of a geek about this stuff than I could have imagined.

Which is to say that I couldn't have quoted the manufacturer and model number of Ash off the top of my head.

I can, however, tell you which episode of Firefly contains a product manufactured by The Company.
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In the Aliens movies, Weyland-Yutani is the name of a gigantic, corrupt, multinational conglomerate which functions as a de-facto state. They have investments in military research, heavy manufacturing, children's toys, energy production, shipbuilding, bulk space cargo transport, healthcare, financial services and terraforming. (I'm probably missing a bunch of others.)

Basically, imagine if Google, Microsoft, Toyota, Boeing, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Raytheon, Meyer Werft, IBM, Harris, Blackwater, Wal-Mart, Exxon, Proctor & Gamble, General Electric, Samsung, Morgan-Stanley and the Dutch East India Company all merged together into one giant corporation, with Gordon Gekko as CEO. Their motto is "Building Better Worlds."
You get it. I tried to explain it to a friend who was interested in borrowing my quadrilogy. He said, "so it's like Microsoft?"...Next time I will use your explanation.

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Ok. I know this is going to be hard for everyone else to believe, but you are waaaaaaay more of a geek about this stuff than I could have imagined.

Which is to say that I couldn't have quoted the manufacturer and model number of Ash off the top of my head.
I'm actually beaming with pride because I take this as a compliment.

If you guys think that I am nerdy when it comes to Neon Genesis Evangelion....this is a whole new world of obsession.

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I can, however, tell you which episode of Firefly contains a product manufactured by The Company.
I have this show in my Netflix Instant and I am excited to watch it for the first time. I missed it when it was on tv.
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Oh, yeah. Those were the days. Sometimes when I lie in bed at night, I can still hear that gurgling, choking sound she made as the life oozed out of her tattered body.


In the Aliens movies, Weyland-Yutani is the name of a gigantic, corrupt, multinational conglomerate which functions as a de-facto state. They have investments in military research, heavy manufacturing, children's toys, energy production, shipbuilding, bulk space cargo transport, healthcare, financial services and terraforming. (I'm probably missing a bunch of others.)

Basically, imagine if Google, Microsoft, Toyota, Boeing, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Raytheon, Meyer Werft, IBM, Harris, Blackwater, Wal-Mart, Exxon, Proctor & Gamble, General Electric, Samsung, Morgan-Stanley and the Dutch East India Company all merged together into one giant corporation, with Gordon Gekko as CEO. Their motto is "Building Better Worlds."




In the first film (1979), Capt. Dallas was the captain of Nostromo, a deep-space heavy cargo transport on its way back to earth with a load of ore. It encounters the Alien, everyone dies except for Sigourney Weaver, etc. The Nostramo was owned and operated by Weyland-Yutani.

In the second film, Weaver has been rescued from the little escape pod in which she'd been drifting through space (in hibernation) for more than 50 years. She is brought back to earth, and subsequently grilled by Weyland's insurance / liability folks, on the grounds that she did, in fact, blow up the ship and destroy its cargo (she did this at the end of the first film, in order to kill the Alien and escape.)

During that scene, the screenshot posted above is briefly shown as part of a bio on all of the other members of the Nostramo crew who perished. You will note that Dallas is listed as having previously served aboard a ship owned by the Tyrell Corporation prior to his employment with Weyland-Yutani.


This is an easter egg. In the movie Blade Runner, which came out a couple of years prior to the sequel to Alien, the Tyrell Corporation is depicted as being somewhat similar to Weyland-Yutani. They are a massive company with shady business relationships. Tyrell is involved in various unspecified "off-world" activities, and has, among other things, engineered an entire race of synthetic humanoids (officially called Replicants, informally known as skin-jobs) which act as a sort of slave class.


Bonus trivia:

In the 2004-2009 Battlestar Galactica TV series, the humanoid Cylons are sometimes pejoratively referred to as "skin jobs" by the human colonists. The origin of the Cylons, from the point of view of the colonists, is the same as that of the Replicants from the point of view of the humans in Blade Runner; prior to rebelling, they had been created as a servant-class and sold as commercial products.




Ok. I know this is going to be hard for everyone else to believe, but you are waaaaaaay more of a geek about this stuff than I could have imagined.

Which is to say that I couldn't have quoted the manufacturer and model number of Ash off the top of my head.

I can, however, tell you which episode of Firefly contains a product manufactured by The Company.
Wow. I knew most of this already. I didn't think the tyrell in that screen shot would have been the same as the one in BR. I'm a huge sci-fi buff and love this kind of stuff. The Cylons and the replicants while very similar, we're also very very different, as you obviously know. But at the same time, I find it amazing that Mr Weyland never inserted his consciousness into one of his Davids. I just didn't ever remember seeing that screen shot in particular. Maybe it flashed by too quickly for me to notice.

While on the subject, do you guys take Prometheus as canon to the story line?
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So is Ash a Nexus 6?
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The Cylons and the replicants while very similar, we're also very very different, as you obviously know. But at the same time, I find it amazing that Mr Weyland never inserted his consciousness into one of his Davids.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to use a Bishop? Or did Weyland die prior to that model being created?

I'll admit that I'm unfamiliar with David. I've found a couple of hits on Google, but I'm afraid I can't place this model in the context of anything I remember seeing. Did it ever exist outside of the comic books? (I'm not really much of a comics fan.)


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I just didn't ever remember seeing that screen shot in particular. Maybe it flashed by too quickly for me to notice.
It was highly incidental, just sort of running in the background while the Company lawyers were grilling Ripley on the events of the past / presenting exposition to the audience.


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Oddly, I hadn't even heard of it until you posted this. It has been downloaded and is sitting on the media server at home awaiting my arrival.



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So is Ash a Nexus 6?
Are you thinking Leon Kowalski or Roy Batty?

Actually, the Replicants (even the Nexus models) are in a totally different class from the Synthetics.

Skin-jobs were never meant to act as humans, despite their appearance and (presumably) organic composition. They are clearly a slave class, intended to do the dirty work without putting a lot of thought into it. This is the whole reason that the Nexus-6 model was finally designed with a four year timeout- to prevent them from living long enough to gain enough life experience to develop human-like emotional responses.

Contrast this with the synthetics. Even though they are very clearly mechanical in nature, they seem to have been intended to integrate seamlessly with humans. Ash's identity was a surprise to the Nostramo crew, and The Company clearly meant for it to operate among the humans on board without giving any indication that it was different from them.

By the time of the colonization of LV-426, the social attitude towards synthetics seems to have changed in the direction of increased acceptance. The Bishop aboard USS Sulaco is known to all of the crew to be a synthetic, and yet they seem to treat it (more or less) as an equal. Additionally, it appears to possess something resembling at least a limited suite of genuine emotions, including pride, embarrassment, and sympathy. This differentiates it from the earlier Ash models, which did not seem to exhibit emotions of their own, aside from those necessary to simulate human behavior for the purpose of maintaining their disguise.

I suppose it could be argued that Rachael (who was never clearly identified by model) possesses characteristics similar to those of the later-model Synthetics. She appears to have been intended to generate and process emotions.

Who knows. Was Deckard a prototype Nexus as well?
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thought i was a scifi nerd, these 2 blow me out of the water :(
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This thread makes me so happy.

I know what you're asking, and the answer is yes, I do have H.R. Giger art on my walls (the only time I have ever taken anything down or hid something because a female was coming over) and plans for xenomorph/Weyland-Yutani tattoos.

Joe, have you seen the H.R. Giger inspired Ibanez guitars?


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This thread will explode once Joe sees Prometheus.
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{Firefly}I have this show in my Netflix Instant and I am excited to watch it for the first time. I missed it when it was on tv.
You are kidding! Firefly is excellent. Really good character development in that show. I hope you like it. Don't forget to follow up the series with the movie, Serenity, which ties up a few loose ends they didn't have a chance to explain during the series before it was cancelled. There are a couple of departures from the original series in the movie, but I forgive them those because it was such a good ensemble of cast and writing.
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Joe, you have to watch Prometheus, you will either rage or embrace the canon even more. I dont want to give away any secrets now.

this won't give away too much, but definitely fun to look at.

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