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Old 09-11-2008, 01:42 PM   #21
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Driver claims the recording device was ejected from the car at that point.
How is that possible..unless it was a smart camera and said "oh **** I know what's gonna happen here, I'm out" then proceeded to jump.
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:25 PM   #22
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should have pumped the brakes and pulled the e-brake. oh wellz. i figured from the pictures that he simply didn't brake.
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:27 PM   #23
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unless hes pumping the clutch pedal in that vid, his brakes def went out.

Wouldent the crash have been more viloent of he went straight? He would of hit the tire wall doing 100 plus, alot of g force woulda been created.
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On the left side of the video the red & green bar is an accel/decel indicator. As he approaches the braking zone you see it spike red but then drop down and flutter a bit. So he had brakes at least for a split second at the beginning, which means it probably wasn't boiled fluid. Maybe a ruptured line? If he was an experienced SCCA driver I'm sure he'd know to lock them up and try to go off straight, but it's possible that he couldn't lock them up. Dude is lucky to walk away from that.

He had a video setup with an integrated G-force sensor, probably a Chase Cam. Those are not one-piece camcorders like the Hero or Aiptek or garden variety digicam. They use a bullet/lipstick camera mounted to the roll cage and remotely connected to the recording device. At HPDEs I've seen guys just toss their padded recorder bag behind the passenger seat without properly strapping it down, so I can see how it could happen. But he definitely should have secured it for a race. Meh. What's another $500 for a new recorder when you've got to buy a whole new car?
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unless hes pumping the clutch pedal in that vid, his brakes def went out.

Wouldent the crash have been more viloent of he went straight? He would of hit the tire wall doing 100 plus, alot of g force woulda been created.
Nope, you'd be amazed how fast you decelerate with the use of a trap. It would have stopped that car dead long before the tire wall.
Here's a good example:
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Old 09-11-2008, 03:09 PM   #26
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Now I say no, but we all know that bad things can happen anytime; no matter what you do to prevent them. From the point of view in the car, I still suspect the curbing at that drop away still could have some issues.
We all remember Joey Hand's wreck, and he did everything by the book.
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Hmmm....just saw this. Same situation, same speed, same turn, but different outcome.
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Now after spending some time studying this infamous Turn 7 at Mid Ohio - I don't know what to think anymore. Most of the vids do show the cars getting to the tire wall even after traveling through the trap.
This guy is lucky - this I am sure of.
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Nope, you'd be amazed how fast you decelerate with the use of a trap. It would have stopped that car dead long before the tire wall.
Here's a good example:
What was the "wave + thumbs up" hand signal after he passes through the dust cloud coming out of Turn 3?
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Old 09-11-2008, 05:19 PM   #30
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It was like one of those flip books, except this one kept going and going.
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What was the "wave + thumbs up" hand signal after he passes through the dust cloud coming out of Turn 3?
HAHA...too slow..
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/\ Yes, but guy did give him a point by.....
Common courtesy as acknowlegment.
You never know when you might meet again....
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This is at Mid-Ohio, looks like this guy had a similar braking problem. I'm not familiar enough with that track to say for sure if it's the same turn, but it looks like it could be. The track itself has a pronounced upwards slope compared to the ground in the runoff area, which causes cars to become airborne with relative ease.

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God I love those Aston's, doesn't look like the same turn to me, but I could be wrong.
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This is Turn 7 from a different layout leading up to it, but the crest is the issue with cars getting airborne.

Seems pit may need be 3 ft. deep and corn rowed if they are going to catch 'em before the tire wall.

**** - as soon as I post it - it is no longer available.
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This is at Mid-Ohio, looks like this guy had a similar braking problem. I'm not familiar enough with that track to say for sure if it's the same turn, but it looks like it could be. The track itself has a pronounced upwards slope compared to the ground in the runoff area, which causes cars to become airborne with relative ease.
Thats what I ment. The banking lets the car get airborne, by the time you hit the gravel you are halfway across it. Thats why I think going straight woulda been worse..
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Does seem so for that particular turn.
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/\ Yes, but guy did give him a point by.....
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Ah, okay... just seemed like it was so long after the point by and pass that they were unrelated.
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What turn was that in? Thats a pretty spectacular crash.


I'm guessing the right turn after grandstand #2, that's where all the Neons were rolling when I went to the Runoffs several years ago (don't remember, but the 1st gen Neon was still new then..)

Now I'm going to watch the video and see if I was right...

Edit - ...or I could just read page 2.. but IDK if turn 7 and the corner I'm talking about are the same.
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/\ IDK.... I have personally never been there. I say turn 7 as that was mentioned in several of the videos posted and two were identical in topography, and safety crew locations.
From the look of the map at long straight with slight dogleg, I'm thinking more around Number 14 - by Grandstand #2. This is also near #22 - Observation Mound - (which would have been a good viewpoint for the photographer to capture footage).
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