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Old 03-05-2011, 08:31 PM   #41
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running NCSA Mosaic (holy ****! The Web with PICTURES! This was heady stuff at the time)

Hell yes!!! I so rarely come across anyone who has ever heard of this, let alone used it. The last programming seminar I attended (Silverlight, ugh), even the "teacher" had never heard of Mosaic or been online before the Netscape days.

Anyways, great story, OP. Fabrication or not, it was well written. And awesome to read on a png.
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Anyone remember his Fidonet address?
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The last programming seminar I attended (Silverlight, ugh), even the "teacher" had never heard of Mosaic or been online before the Netscape days.
What's sad is that Mosaic was not the first web browser I used. I first encountered the web courtesy of Lynx, which was a pure text-only system that you ran within your shell account. Navigation (eg: clicking "buttons") was done with cursor keys. The advantage here was that you didn't need to be sitting at a real PC to use it- it worked beautifully on a plain-ole monochrome 80x25 dumb terminal.

I actually resisted Mosaic for a long time. Compared to Lynx, it was fairly sluggish, especially if you had encountered a page with images. Remember when the background attribute was first added to <body>, and every living human suddenly felt the need to add a needlessly large and garish background to their webpage? That made life suck very badly if you were connecting via PPP through TIA through a 4800 baud connection.

Sloooooooooooooooooow.


Between Lynx and Pine, that was pretty much all the internet I needed until about '96 or so.



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Anyone remember his Fidonet address?
Fidonet address...

I honestly don't recall that the BBS I used to access Fidonet (Castle of Atlantis, running Wildcat on a 286) supported Fidonet email. It might have, I just don't recall ever using it. I used Fido for echomail, which was roughly analogous to a modern-day web forum (or to usenet, for you old-timers.)
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Ah, Pine. It was superior to Elm. I even had PC-Pine for my university dial-up email access. Those were the good ol' days.

And I believe the system I'm typing on at this moment has lynx. =) I've not used it for a little while. Not since I last wanted to test a site without a CSS skin applied.

I entertained my coworkers just last Friday by using FTP from a windows command line. And, if confronted with one, I think I could still type SMTP commands into a telnet window...
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AHH PINE. **** yah sweet pine! That **** was awesome. I should install that and use it again. **** that is all that is needed for email.
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Ah, Pine. It was superior to Elm. I even had PC-Pine for my university dial-up email access.
Yes, but Pine Is Not Elm.

Aah, my first exposure to recursive acronyms.

You know, there are a lot of things that I genuinely do miss about that era in computing. In many ways, it was simpler. Realistically speaking, Pine was so much faster and more responsive then Outlook is today, despite the fact that my little desktop PC is orders of magnitude faster than the ole' VAX.

On the other hand, I now have the ability to do things like insert images inline with a posting, from a device that weighs 8 ounces and fits in the palm of my hand, while sitting on the toilet, in an airport.



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I entertained my coworkers just last Friday by using FTP from a windows command line.
Now, the weird thing is, that's something I still do on a regular basis. For all of our consoles (with their little embedded 9G20 processors) the primary user interface is via FTP. Mostly it just consists of pushing config files around, and normally you'd use the fancy graphical front-end software that we created, but there's also a little-used function in the FTP protocol called "Literal". It's always been there, but hardly anybody uses it. Literal allows you to pass an instruction to the host, so it's sort of like a very dumbed down non-interactive shell. Actually, not even that, since the host typically doesn't provide you with any native shell language, so you have to basically pre-define all of the commands you might want to execute beforehand in the server code. (In that way, it's more of a facility for creating your own mini-shell, I guess.)

Anyway, I'm rambling. Long story short if that when you are configuring a machine by hand (eg: in the lab for testing) and need to do something simple to the machine, like command it to read the config file you just uploaded, you just type "Literal Init Router" and it does it. In this case, "Init" is the instruction, and "Router" is a modifier that tells the machine what part of the system to reinitialize. We also have a Literal Reset command, and a facility for remotely executing macros by "Literal xxx.MAC" where xxx is the filename of the macro.

For some odd reason, most of the hardware guys in the lab equate the use of the command line in this way to be tantamount to wizardly hacking. Goes to show you how much times have changed, I guess. (Bear in mind, a few of these guys grew up with punched cards, so I really don't see why this is odd.)



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And, if confronted with one, I think I could still type SMTP commands into a telnet window...
Hehe. That's how we used to spoof email addresses to send messages with genuine anonymity. There was a mail server at another university which, if I recall correctly, was pegasus.cc.ucf.ecu. You could telnet into the machine at port 25, and it would accept you with no logon. From there it was just like you said- key in all the SMTP data manually and "build" an email.

Man, I'd forgotten all about that until now. I wonder how much other rusty old crap is rolling around in my head?
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And, if confronted with one, I think I could still type SMTP commands into a telnet window...
I still do it on a regular basis to test systems. Same goes for POP3 and HTTP. It's pretty funny when I do this with other people around. They get that look, you know, "the dude can read the matrix!".
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**** I remember when floppy disks were floppy. You know, like FLACCID. 8" flaccid disks.
Go ahead baby, insert your 8" flaccid disk into my slot...

I remember the TRS-80. And the Apple 2. And playing with BASIC on some IBM terminals when I was 11...
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telnet ea.oac.uci.edu
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AHH PINE. **** yah sweet pine! That **** was awesome. I should install that and use it again. **** that is all that is needed for email.
I have pine on my work laptop, I don't think I have ever used it though.
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What port.
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What the ****?

I just realized that Win7 doesn't include a command-line telnet application!
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What the ****?

I just realized that Win7 doesn't include a command-line telnet application!
http://www.mudconnect.com/java/Telnet/

or use hyperterminal.
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I've already got TeraTerm (I use it for all my RS-232 terminal work), I'm just accustomed to being able to hit -R and then type "Telnet xxx" and be instantly connected. Having to first open an application by doing several mouse clicks, and then use the mouse to click on several more buttons to go through a whole "connect to..." dialog just needlessly slows me down.

They still support the command-line FTP client (I'd have thrown my Win7 disc out the window on day 1 if that were gone) so what the hell was gained by ditching the telnet client? Why the **** does Windows have to punish me for preferring keyboard shortcuts and command-line applications vs. pushing a mouse around to accomplish the same task in more time?


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I've already got TeraTerm (I use it for all my RS-232 terminal work), I'm just accustomed to being able to hit
OK hopefully this helps:

Make an alias/shortcut/symlink to ttermpro.exe and call it telnet.exe Save it in the tterm directory

Right click on my computer/properties/environment variables/path and add the tterm folder to the path (seperate with semicolon)

Then kill and restart explorer

Then do winkey/R and type telnet and the flags:

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TTERMPRO (replace with telnet) [<host>[[:]<TCP port#>]]

[/B] [/C=<serial port#>]
[/F=<setup file>] [/FD=<file transfer directory>]
[/H] [/I] [/K=<keyboard setup file>]
[/KR=<kanji code (receive)>] [/KT=<kanji code (transmit)>]
[/L=<log file>] [/LA=<language>] [/M=<macro file>]
[/P=<TCP port#>] [/R=<replay file>] [/T=<telnet flag>]
[/V] [/W="<window title>"]
[/X=<window pos (x)] [/Y=<window pos (y)]
[;<comment>]



In short tterm can be initiated from windows run or cli and open a session with a port.
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OK hopefully this helps:

Make an alias/shortcut/symlink to ttermpro.exe and call it telnet.exe Save it in the tterm directory

Right click on my computer/properties/environment variables/path and add the tterm folder to the path (seperate with semicolon)

Then kill and restart explorer

Then do winkey/R and type telnet and the flags:

Command line (shortcut link) format


TTERMPRO (replace with telnet) [<host>[[:]<TCP port#>]]

[/B] [/C=<serial port#>]
[/F=<setup file>] [/FD=<file transfer directory>]
[/H] [/I] [/K=<keyboard setup file>]
[/KR=<kanji code (receive)>] [/KT=<kanji code (transmit)>]
[/L=<log file>] [/LA=<language>] [/M=<macro file>]
[/P=<TCP port#>] [/R=<replay file>] [/T=<telnet flag>]
[/V] [/W="<window title>"]
[/X=<window pos (x)] [/Y=<window pos (y)]
[;<comment>]



In short tterm can be initiated from windows run or cli and open a session with a port.
**** all this noise.

Start-> Control Panel->Programs & Features-> Turn Windows Components On/Off -> Enable telnet LIKE A BOSS.

Why Microsoft didn't make this a default is beyond me.
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Jeff is the man.
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