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Old 06-06-2008, 06:07 PM   #21
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Uhm no. A good bit of layoffs are "white collar" professionals--they're not union! So some/most get a pension. Not all will. And those who do, their pensions will run out. They're not unlimited. There are other loopholes too--time in service and what not.

I'll concede that the unions got too big and too powerful--so while the people make the company, they also almost killed it--, but if it weren't for them, then many manufacturing jobs would still be very dangerous or even deadly.
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It's not that bad, just sell your miata and get a motorcycle... It's still topless.
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Old 06-06-2008, 06:27 PM   #23
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It's not that bad, just sell your miata and get a motorcycle... It's still topless.
until you lay it down (due to the negligence of others) and you're laid up for nearly 2 years and lost over a quarter million dollars!!

oh, I lost my job too--a very good one, high paying and excellent benie's. but hey I'm not bitter. nah.
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Get ready for an increase in the birth rate.

During recessions, instead of going out, people stay home and ****. More ******* makes more babies. It's actually a true statistic.
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I was involved in the same argument over on cr.net. It amazes how many people really believe suv's are to blame for high oil prices. While I know they dont help the situation I believe that if they all went away that would create even more problems. And yes I am the proud owner of 2 gas guzzling suv's.
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Old 06-07-2008, 12:19 AM   #26
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I think its time to move to europe.

I'd get to play with some neat cars too
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Old 06-07-2008, 12:28 AM   #27
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At my Restaurant/Bar I get a few calls a week to take my used oil to make bio diesel. Maybe I should try that...I would if the smell of the old oil was not so PUTRID! Rather pay 5/gal.
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Not sure if anyone read the article, but the price spiked by speculators, spiked..... because of a wall street journal article claiming that prices will be above 150 a barrel around July 4th....

So the speculators price spiked because of speculating...
Its pretty ******* retarded that the price is controlled by the ******* people buying and trading it, through a ******* commodity loophole.

I have money invested in gold, and money that has mutual funds balanced by the oil trade. The returns in 08 will be okay, but how much am I going to have to pay in the short term on, gas, groceries, air travel, ya pretty much anything dictated by the price of oil. Saudi Arabia.....SAUDI ARABIA even admitted that the price should be 60-70 a barrel, but the price is being inflated by speculators.
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ummmm.... diesel is made from oil?
Youre right. But I was saying that along the lines of having the increased gas mileage to offset the high cost. But also the ability to run SVO.
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Within reason, increasing oil prices please me, and it has nothing at all to do with any personal bias I may have against large vehicles. PSPFX is up 12.57% for the year to date, and UMESX is up 21%. So basically, I've made close to $8k on those two alone (pre-tax) over the past six months just for sitting on my *** listening to people bitch about the price of gasoline.

Any US citizen who complains about the price of petrolium and yet has even just a few thousand dollars sitting in the bank gathering dust is a retard.
I suggest you check what has been the exchange rate of the US$ against the during that same period. You won't be that happy then!

FWIW, we pay US$5.71 per gl locally.

Someone mentioned "speculation"; I would suggest some reading on that aspect of the problem. You'll be surprised!
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I'm all for it. Higher prices mean more incentive to produce fuel efficient cars, plus less monster SUVs on the road to run me over. Levnubhin, please tell me how doing away with SUVs would cause any problem?
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I'm all for it. Higher prices mean more incentive to produce fuel efficient cars, plus less monster SUVs on the road to run me over. Levnubhin, please tell me how doing away with SUVs would cause any problem?

The us has already produced fuel efficient cars.

Check the EPA on a 1994 Civic VX HB. 38 City 50 Highway
the 2009 Civic Hybrid is no where near that 40 City and 45 Hightway, I do the math, and the non hybrid gets an average of 1.5 MPG better.
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Old 06-07-2008, 12:17 PM   #33
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The us has already produced fuel efficient cars.

Check the EPA on a 1994 Civic VX HB. 38 City 50 Highway
the 2009 Civic Hybrid is no where near that 40 City and 45 Hightway, I do the math, and the non hybrid gets an average of 1.5 MPG better.
the EPA estimates from those two years arent really comparable anymore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_ec...ting_procedure
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well they need to retest some old *** cars then. Also says 39/50 for the 1995. The site I am using http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ supposedly has readjusted the numbers to the new standards. Hence why they say the miata gets 19/25 MPG.
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that's cool. except i want better mileage.
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Huh. that's weird that it says the miata gets 25. I average 25 while driving pretty hard, not really taking much consideration to fuel economy and that's with City driving. o_O

I've gotten 38 mpg on a tank when I did try to be fuel economic...except for the one night I went out drifting...so that seems pretty impressive to me.
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I filled up at lunch today 94 Octane $ 5.9916/ U.S. Gal or $ 1.583/ liter.

For just over 8 gal it almost was almost $ 50.00
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holey crap.
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I filled up at lunch today 94 Octane $ 5.9916/ U.S. Gal or $ 1.583/ liter.

For just over 8 gal it almost was almost $ 50.00
which vancouver? canada has different gasoline taxes I'm sure.
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I'm all for it. Higher prices mean more incentive to produce fuel efficient cars, plus less monster SUVs on the road to run me over. Levnubhin, please tell me how doing away with SUVs would cause any problem?

It would only put hundreds of thousands of people out of work. I guess not everyone sees that as a problem though.

I dont understand your hate for suv's or why you think there to blame for gas prices. You need to realize that higher gas prices wont only hurt peple with suv's, what about the person who can only afford to have that 1985 civic and it now costs the 40-50 to fill it up. That price is very high for alot of people in this coutry and yet you want it to go up? What about public transportation? You think that wont go up also?
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