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Old 10-06-2010, 01:36 AM   #21
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Most of the cost savings fuel wise for a diesel are over rated because of the difference in price between diesel and reg unleaded in most parts of the country. You'd have to get like 20% more mpg vs a gas hybrid for it to even be equal where I live.

Again, not about the environment for me, its about money.
Going to have to disagree with you on the diesel point, respectfully. My station wagon gets MPG to rival many hybrids (especially on the highway), and I can actually do stuff with it. The wife and I have had it all over TX, NC, FL, GA, MD, etc. and haven't found diesel to be more than a matter of cents more than regular unleaded. Besides that, we were coming from the perspective of having two cars running "premium", so it was a big savings.

Definitely agree on your second quoted point.
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I get e85 for 2.39/gal bitchez.....
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That's how much it is for unleaded in Tucson.
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I get e85 for 2.39/gal bitchez.....
Ok, E85 is great for making lots of sweet turbo power, but how many miles do you get to a tank??
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I think I got 220 once. All city driving. compared to best of 300 when it was bone stock.
After that ONE tank the car stopped being a daily driver and I stopped giving two ***** about gas mileage.

I THINK I could probably get it to get very close to how it was if I really concentrated on it and perfected the map to be ultra super duper economical. I'd probably get around 260-270.

Right now its running super rich and I'm ok with that. Better to be safe then get better mileage.
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Old 10-06-2010, 11:00 AM   #26
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To play devil's advocate with the CR-Z/CR-X thing, feature/safety bloat has had an impact. Just think of all the things a new model today is supposed to do well compared with a late '80s or early '90s car. It needs to be gentle to pedestrians in front of it, coddle its operator in airbags if there's a crash, to compete (and appeal to youths) it needs a "bitchin'" stereo, etc. etc.



DI we have, but to use one example on stratified injection, the Euro market VW FSI motors use stratified injection and ours do not, citing the need to conform to our more stringent NOx standard.

Interestingly, the engine in the EG Civic VX had a cool lean-burn feature, where one intake valve remained closed at low engine speeds and used a VTEC-like system (called VTEC-E) to open the second valve at something like 2300 RPM. From idle to 2300ish, it burned very, very lean, and got away with it because, I'm told, of the furious swirling turbulence using just one intake valve caused. Some later Honda engines used this "VTEC-E" and also conventional "VTEC" on the same engine.
the stratified lean burn was supposed to address the NOx problem by burning cooler but maybe it never worked out?
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I owned a 1991 CRX HF. Make no mistake, it was an absolute dog...no torque, no revs, and geared pretty long. BUT --

I averaged 49 mpg driving 80-82 mph on an 800ish mile roadtrip with me, a passenger, and the back full of our stuff (albeit in winter with the A/C off).

There isn't an easier car to swap audio stuff...all 4 speakers are accessible behind individually removable panels that pop off with a couple screws each, and there's plenty of room for the deck (and the center console doesn't even go all the way to the firewall so you can reach behind it to route the harness).

Also, I ran the motor dry by accident...oil pickup line clogged with something, dummy light didn't come on, and I didn't realize until it was apparent that I needed more and more throttle to maintain speed. Towed it to the shop, had them clean it up and change the oil, and it started right up and ran perfectly till the day I sold it.

The guy who bought it swapped a B16 into it and JDMed the hell out of it. Kind of sad, but he did have pretty fast little car.
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this is the reason for my comment about the 1.5liter turbo diesel miata. wife also has '10 jetta sportwagon tdi 6speed and it sold me on turbo diesel. its heavy (3200lb) and still fun to drive. take that motor and put into miata and you really got something.

i backed the displacement down because a chipped 2.0liter tdi motor (european spec) makes 200hp and 320ftlb torque... which might be considered overkill for a commuter miata lol
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Hybrid = Marketing.
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There is actually a nifty article in this month's Wired magazine on ELECTRIC CARS.

The leaf looks pretty interesting.
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I get e85 which costs significantly more than regular gas but is subsidized by excessive taxes for 2.39/gal bitchez.....
Fixed that fer ya.

Gas should be 75 cents a gallon but we won't allow ourselves to obtain what we already own AND we won't allow ourselves to refine like we should. It's our lack of control and oversight over our government that causes this self-inflicted crisis. We can't have light cars because of safety regulations and emissions regulations. We can't have cheap cars because of the previous two plus fuel economy regulations. There is little competition from new brands because of all of the stupid legal requirements keeping them from being able to start up and compete. As ridiculously ---- as our government is about imposing regulations to protect us from ourselves, I'm sincerely surprised that motorcycles have not yet been made illegal.
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I'm sincerely surprised that motorcycles have not yet been made illegal.
I think that's a great idea. **** motorcyclists. Each time I see a dumb **** biker driving like a ******** (half the time) I worry about running them over when they fall, picturing them dying and me going to jail for manslaughter.
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I think that's a great idea. **** motorcyclists. Each time I see a dumb **** biker driving like a ******** (half the time) I worry about running them over when they fall, picturing them dying and me going to jail for manslaughter.
**** you too. Don't lump us all in with the "stunnas" crowd.

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**** you too. Don't lump us all in with the "stunnas" crowd.

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When 90% of the bikers drive like that, you all get lumped in. Sterotypes. Are based in truth.
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When 90% of the bikers drive like that, you all get lumped in. Sterotypes. Are based in truth.
Well then according to your logic you are a proud flamboyant homosexual.
Also judging by your intercooler piping color and color of car you are the "GAYEST OF THE GAYS", or biggest queen here.


Don't you love it when logic bites you in the ***?
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Don't you love it when logic bites you in the ***?
There is too much *** biting going on for this to be a straight man's forum.
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Don't you love it when logic bites you in the ***?
Yes baby, a little higher please.
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There are tons of smart/responsible riders out there.

They get pissed off by the stupid riders just as much as cagers do. Just like we here get annoyed by the cr.net retards and the hellagay crowd of n00b **** suckers.

No need for hatred.
I love my bike.
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I average about 30mpg running a couple seconds faster than a Porsche GT3 Cup car.
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Hybrid = Marketing.
^ I am inclined to agree with this.

They need to appeal to the green crowd because it's easier to sell them a hybrid than full on petrol burner.

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