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Old 02-19-2010, 12:27 PM   #1
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Recovery.gov reports 1,229,305 jobs have been funded by the stimulus bill from Feb 17 2009 to Dec 2009.

So far 278.1 billion has been out of the 787B*. Only 35%.

$278,100,000,000 / 1,229,305 = $226,225

So far it has cost the American taxpayer $226,225 to fund each gov't job. I wonder what the average salary is?

No wonder in a resent poll 6% of Americans believe “stimulus” created jobs, while 7% believe Elvis is alive. The margin of error in most polls is 3-4%, and that number is usually the assumed yahoo/weirdo/crazy people number...

*COB now estimates the number is closer to 869B.


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Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it becomes, marked: 'Account overdrawn.'

When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, 'Who is destroying the world?' You are.

You stand in the midst of the greatest achievements of the greatest productive civilization and you wonder why it's crumbling around you, while you're damning its life-blood – money. You look upon money as the savages did before you, and you wonder why the jungle is creeping back to the edge of your cities. Throughout men's history, money was always seized by looters of one brand or another, but whose method remained the same: to seize wealth by force and to keep the producers bound, demeaned, defamed, deprived of honor. That phrase about the evil of money, which you mouth with such righteous recklessness, comes from a time when wealth was produced by the labor of slaves – slaves who repeated the motions once discovered by somebody's mind and left unimproved for centuries. So long as production was ruled by force, and wealth was obtained by conquest, there was little to conquer. Yet through all the centuries of stagnation and starvation, men exalted the looters, as aristocrats of the sword, as aristocrats of birth, as aristocrats of the bureau, and despised the producers, as slaves, as traders, as shopkeepers – as industrialists.
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Old 02-19-2010, 12:44 PM   #2
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Huh. Along those same lines, my mom sent me this in an email: ***



This is QUEEN PELOSI'S NEW JET!!! And the Democrats talk about Sarah's dresses???
Queen Pelosi wasn't happy with the small USAF C-20B jet, Gulfstream III, that comes with the Speaker's job ... OH NO! Queen Pelosi was aggravated that this little jet had to stop to refuel, so she ordered a Big Fat, 200-seat, USAF C-32, Boeing 757 jet that could get her back to California without stopping! I understand that a former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, flew commercial most of the time.
Many, many legislators walked by and grinned with glee as Joe informed everyone of what Queen Nancy's Big Fat Jet costs us, the hard working American tax payers, literally thousands of gallons of fuel every week.
Since she only works 3 days a week, this gas guzzling jet gets fueled and she flies home to California every Friday and returns every Monday, at a cost to the taxpayers (YOU and ME are those taxpayers!) of about $60,000, one way!
As Joe put it ..."unfortunately we have to pay to bring her back on Monday night and that costs us another $60,000!" Taxpayers, that is $480,000 per month and that is an annual cost to us of $5,760,000!!!
No wonder she complains about the cost of this war ... it might cramp her style and she is styling on my back and yours. I think of the military families in this country doing without and this woman, who heads up the most do-nothing Congress in the history of our country, keeps fueling that jet while doing nothing.
Queen Pelosi wants you and me to conserve our carbon footprint. She wants us to buy smaller cars and Obama wants us to get a bicycle pump and air up our tires. Who do these people think they are??? Their motto is ... Don't do as I do ... JUST DO AS I SAY!
If you think this is outrageous, forward it to all those on your email list! Keep in mind the figures above do NOT include the cost of plane or crew ... just the fuel!!! One has to wonder what the total package costs us?
And on top of that ... now she wants to tax our IRA's & 401K's!

***This is not to start any partisan debacle, just to point out the hypocrisy of our congress in general. I'm tired of hearing about them giving themselves raises, retiring with full benefits after one term, exempting themselves from legislation they impose on their subjects (us), etc. I don't care what side of the aisle you're on, that ought to get you angry.
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Crazy political emails make me crazy.
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Pelosi's Jet
I'm about as conservative, right wing as you can get these days but I did some research and it seems as though this is pretty much not true.
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If it's not true I'd love to see what you've seen, I certainly wouldn't put it past her.
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***This is not to start any partisan debacle, just to point out the hypocrisy of our congress in general. I'm tired of hearing about them giving themselves raises, retiring with full benefits after one term, exempting themselves from legislation they impose on their subjects (us), etc. I don't care what side of the aisle you're on, that ought to get you angry.

except that most of the crazy emails are so outdated or just plain incorrect.

snopes.com: Nancy Pelosi's Jet

also regarding the pay raises, they didn't get them last year. pelosi actually gathered up the dems and told them they weren't getting a pay raise.

furthermore, the congressional pay raises are automatic and go back to a bill signed in 1987 that implemented an annual COLA pay raise.

.... saw KPLAFIN's post as i was typing this. snopes it all. it's out there.
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If it's not true I'd love to see what you've seen, I certainly wouldn't put it past her.
Apparently the "sergeant at arms" in charge of her security requested a plane that could reach Cali from DC w/o stopping to re-fuel for "security" reasons. From that someone did the math and "figured out" that only something the size of a 737 or bigger could make it w/o refueling. From there the rumor spread, there are a couple videos I found of her defending the request but she always says "it's not about size, its a matter of distance" and from what I've found there's no recorded cases of her actually flying anything bigger than a 12 seater in a domestic flight.

Type "Pelosi Jet" in your search engine of choice and you'll have plenty to read. I agree that I don't put anything liek this past her but unfortunately I have a bad habit of checking my facts before I bash people even if I don't like them to begin with, someday I'll stop doing that and learn to just have fun with it instead.
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furthermore, the congressional pay raises are automatic and go back to a bill signed in 1987 that implemented an annual COLA pay raise.
Meanwhile Obama does something that's never been done before EVER and "recommends" the absolute minimum pay raise allowed by law for the Military, congress pretty much said F you and bumped it a little higher but we still got a shitty pay raise this year.
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<South Park MJ> awww, mannnnn, thas ignorant... thas ignorant.... </South Park MJ>
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Thanks for the corrections gays, I'll pass that back to my mom.
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Hypocrisy make da world go round.
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No. Needs more Gingrich. At least he was able to achieve a surplus, can speak clearly/factually, and isn't a douchebag.
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Meanwhile Obama does something that's never been done before EVER and "recommends" the absolute minimum pay raise allowed by law for the Military, congress pretty much said F you and bumped it a little higher but we still got a shitty pay raise this year.
I got no pay raise, so my sympathy is limited. Somewhere around 1 in 10 Americans is unemployed by the official counts. Since official counts don't count people who have given up looking or have been out of work more than 6 months, I'd put the number closer to 1 in 8 or 1 in 7 Americans without an income, to say nothing of the countless Americans who have taken massive pay cuts (lost a professional job and are now asking "do you want fries with that" for example). Bitching that your pay raise wasn't big enough in a situation where many are jobless or grossly underemployed seems pretty stupid. Be thankful that 1. you have an income and 2. that it's actually growing.
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The yearly pay raise is for cost of living increases. Happens every year.

the key is getting a Gov't job and getting paid well without ever having the fear of getting fired ever again, let alone actually doing anything.



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In the course of a year, government employment has decreased by 296,000 jobs to 4.3% unemployment; during the same period, employment in the private, non-agricultural, sector has decreased by 2.3 million jobs to 11.1%. (And if you look at not seasonally adjusted unemployment data, the lose of private jobs reached 3.1 million and the lose of public jobs is roughly 70,000. That’s quite a gap.)
performance based pay/service is a thing of the past.
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I got no pay raise, so my sympathy is limited. Somewhere around 1 in 10 Americans is unemployed by the official counts. Since official counts don't count people who have given up looking or have been out of work more than 6 months, I'd put the number closer to 1 in 8 or 1 in 7 Americans without an income, to say nothing of the countless Americans who have taken massive pay cuts (lost a professional job and are now asking "do you want fries with that" for example). Bitching that your pay raise wasn't big enough in a situation where many are jobless or grossly underemployed seems pretty stupid. Be thankful that 1. you have an income and 2. that it's actually growing.
My sympathy is limited as well. On your first point, I volunteered, I had a choice to follow in other's footsteps, to take the same route as others who are now asking "do you want fries with that?" I chose to serve my country, I love my job, but my salary sucks. I make roughly $20K a year BEFORE taxes and am on call 24/7, have a high probability of being deployed down range to risk giving my life for my country at any time, granted my housing and helath insurance is payed for but I'm also stationed overseas (in Europe) which means most of the money I spend is on the German economy, which means I spend euro...looked at the exchange rate lately? I'll give you a hint, it sucks for us.

But like I said, I don't complain, I love my job, I love serving my country, I don't do it for the money (obviously) the fact that Obama recommended such a bullshit figure for our pay raise this year infuriates me, checked his salary lately? Let me fill you in, president's annual salary is $400K PLUS $100K non-taxable travel account, $19k for "entertainment" and a $50K "annual expense account." Wanna guess how much General Casey (someone who's actually EARNED their position and worked their entire life for it rather than being elected into office, makes a year?

Bottom line, you don't have a job, that's your problem, there's always options out there even if they are "below you," I have no sy,pathy for the majoirty of the unemployed.
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dude, no one is hiring right now, don't blame the person that actually wants work.

Become a DC teacher for 2 years and get tenure for life. the drop out rate is over 40%, but they get paid very well so you just gotta make sure you don't get shot.
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dude, no one is hiring right now, don't blame the person that actually wants work.
Ok so maybe my points weren't as true as they were a few years ago BUT, if you really want to work there's always SOMETHING out there. and besides, as long as you're <42 you can always come join me in bitching about my %3 pay raise.
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be happy you got a pay raise. I got a pay cut.
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I got a better job, clearance, more money, shorter commute. Wait...what?
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