Interesting times indeed! Calculators? What's the fun in that?
I wrote a paper in college some 20 years ago about solar pv arrays. I think the $/watt for installed residential was ~$10/watt.
Today it's less than $3/watt. That might be unsustainable due to the way global markets work, but it does change the equation.
My comment was more to point out that the curves had apparently crossed and that I had just realized it.

Sounds like you have a nice power setup :). Australia (somewhat like where I live in the southwest of the US) certainly has the open land area to make use of.
I did actually throw in the cost to run the nuclear plant. That's where the 22000 per hour came from. Those numbers actually came down a lot in the last 5 years; I expected it to be higher.

I think that here in the states, the people who would benefit the most from nuclear or wind or solar are either complete idiots or possessed of “discretionary ignorance.” Because the practical effects of the current energy policy fiasco haven’t really arrived yet, there is virulent opposition to the construction of any sort of generating or distribution systems, because “nature/wilderness” or noise or ugliness or anything else that requires change.

That might start to change this winter when folks in my neck of rural Maine(for example) start having to choose between having lights/heat and eating, but for now magical thinking prevails.
A statewide referendum recently killed (maybe - the lawyers haven’t finished yet) a huge hydroelectric power line from HydroQuebec to New England, because it would require a corridor about 100m wide x 85 km long through forests on recently paper company-owned land. There’s an ongoing grassroots opposition campaign against a test wind farm about 15 miles offshore of 4(!) windmills, to protect lobstermen or something. Trying to build a large solar array? Good luck with the requirements for long-term groundwater chemical-leaching information, which essentially doesn’t exist.

Meanwhile, the cost to heat my house this winter will be about $5500-6000 more than in 2020-21. I can afford it, a lot of people can’t. It’s not going to be pretty. Perhaps folks will start to realize that electricity comes from somewhere besides the pole outside their house.

Years ago I worked on a huge nuclear project (WPPSS if anyone cares), and it was a complete cluster-f, but was very eye-opening about the “complexity of the US power grid. Between the client and us(constructors), everything was wrong, but I am convinced that nuclear is still our best solution.

Here in northern Illinois, where noise and ugliness are the norm, we have six nuclear plants, totaling eleven reactors. We are a net-exporter of electricity to surrounding states.



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But the fact of the matter is that 100% of those reactors are in the non-leftist regions which surround Chicago.

Many people remain convinced that nuclear energy is responsible for thousands (or millions) of deaths per year, despite the fact that it is the second-safest form of power generation known to man (after hydro, which lefties also hate, because fish), even when you factor in Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima.

Fewer causalities per unit of power generated than wind and solar.

Nuclear energy has become a borderline-religious topic amongst those with weak minds and strong opinions. There is little point in trying to appeal to their sense of reason, as I learned in the early 2010s as a resident of San Diego, being regularly approached by Greenpeace evangelists in the parking lot of my local Trader Joe's.




I recall that you and I once had a long and interesting conversation about Whoops. I respect your opinions in this matter.

$3/watt? Say $15k for 10kw (10,000w), that is $1.50/w, could be as low as $1-$1.20 depending on how cheap you wanted go with the panels and inverters. Domestically, batteries are the sleepers. The RoI gives payback periods longer than the guaranteed life of the batteries, and while you would expect them to last longer that is rather offputting for most. However if you have an EV, you have a BIG battery compared to a Tesla powerwall say. Use that as the domestic battery for early evening when high usage cooking etc, and charge overnight when usage low to nonexistent., or during the day when parked at home/work.

Yes, I jumped years ago when there were subsidies and went for the biggest allowed, the subsidy paid for it just before it ended, I generate 2-3 times my consumption. My roof is not suitable, so I have a ground mount setup in the paddock between my transformer and the house (acreage has its uses - some people have horses, I farm photons).

I missed that. Nuc is not an option here, but if you already have them it is a different story. The economics is something I should study - on the one hand you have depreciated capital cost, on the other you have substantial running costs, it would be interesting to compare that against the capital cost of the renewable (solar/wind) with effectively zero operational cost. As well as storage, you would have to look at transmission, most of the big renewables here require upgraded/new transmission lines (the low hanging fruit there has well and truly gone), whereas coal/nucs already have the lines.

The newest of the 6 nukes in Illinois is Clinton, which started up in 1987. There have been 4 plants commissioned since 1990, only one this century. I understand that there are a couple under construction in Georgia, which I find heartening.

While the “Nukes are thalidomide forever” crowd have a lot of responsibility here, a very big reason that there haven’t been more is that our project cost ballooned about 500%, causing the client to only complete 1 of the 5 units and leading to the largest-ever municipal bonding default - to the tune of $2.25 billion. Some of that increase was the fault of the the client, some was our fault, but bad luck(read TMI) was the real killer. Almost overnight, current safety-related systems were obsoleted by NRC regulations. Unit 3 went from 70% complete to 30, Unit 5 from 30 to about 12. When you’re already 2 or 3 billion $ into something, you can’t just say “Screw it, I’m out.” Next thing you know, the Spec Miata you’re building has just become a Porsche 963.
Anyway, for at least a couple decades, the prospect of a replay of that story has frightened off private finance - which means building anything new requires the government, which means politics, which means that the modern Luddites have the biggest voice.

This is part of the prescribed message that always gets me. We're told to always charge during off peak hours, but if when everyone is forced into BEV's there will be no off peak hours. Overnight charging would become the worst time, exceeding even the daily air conditioning and cooking spike on the grid.

The issue is you are explaining science to people that can't pass a middle school science test.

Something that's interesting to think about.. to pump and refine 1 gallon of gasoline requires electricity and heat. So far I haven't had much luck finding a reputable source but the process seems to require about 1kWh of direct electricity, and enough heat that if it was to turn a turbine it would generate about 3.5kWh.. so 4.5kWh to pump and refine 1 gallon of gasoline.

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Yes, but off-peak is a very 20th century phenomenon arising from the fact that the big coal generators could not be throttled readily, and someone had to be found to use the power generated at night when no-one was wanting power, Cheap power was the answer, but with the demise of coal generators (happening rapidly here), there is no need to find users for surplus power because that is a rapidly diminishing feature of the grid. .There may be new power generation cycles, for example over-building for winter when solar generation is lower, so summer power is in surplus, but what emerges will not be clear for a long time yet.

If that (big increase in overnight demand) looks like happening, and the grid is largely dependent on renewables boosted by storage, the price would go up to reflect scarcity/cost of supply. Given that by definition solar is out of the market at that time, it would be wind and storage, plus any remnant non-renewable supply, I imagine the overnight 'off-peak' supply capacity would become progressively more limited, and costs to rise. But no problem, you just drive your battery to work, or leave it at home, and charge it during the day when supply is greater and consequently potentially cheaper. However that last proposition is more complex, as demand is also greater by day as industry and commerce start demanding supply, and how that supply/demand equation works out is difficult to predict from this distance.

There is a parallel situation in hot water supply. My off-peak HWS shat itself a couple of years ago, and I needed a quick fix, so no time to research the solar HWS options, let alone line up the materials and labour to install. Replacement like-for-like was quick and (relatively) cheap, Much much cheaper than a solar HWS. My off-peak electricity cost 15c/kwh then, my old feed-in tariff was 6c/kwh, so redirecting my solar generation to the HWS would save me 9c/kwh. My new electricity contract has different numbers (20c/32c), but similar result (saving 9c/12c/kwh). However I have not pulled that trigger yet as it will cost me quite a few hundred dollars to get a sparky to supply and install the necessary meters and switchgear, but with this new supply contract the savings from changing to solar are now greater, reducing the payback period for the changeover cost - I better get my wheels on and start looking further into this!

Been a debate about that here too. There was to be a trial run using recycled sewage on some local playing fields, not sure how that worked out. Also a proposal up Lokiel's way, ditto.

My place is not sewered, I have my own waste water treatment plant for grey/black water - first stage is a traditional single tank septic system, outflow goes to an active filtration/aeration/chlorination process before being pumped out through sprinklers. Supposed to be safe for rooted edibles/orchard/etc, but risky for leafy vegetables.

I'm curious about the second stage. For the filtration process, what is the upkeep in terms of labor and cost? What do you have to do, and how often, and are there any consumables beyond chlorine? What do you do with the surplus water? Sounds pretty cool to get a second use, and essentially free irrigation in a relatively dry area.

A buddy of mine is doing electricity and was asked an interesting question..

Electricity flows from negative to positive, right? The electrons come from the negative side which has extra of them and go to the positive which lacks electrons.

Now lets look at an LED. It says the electricity flows from positive to negative. Positive lead is Anode, negative is Cathode. Current flows from the anode to the cathode. This seems to contradict the first statement.

You can just as easily say that the "holes" flow from positive to negative.

No, it does not.

Where is he getting this information?

It may be easier to visualize if you consider a vacuum-tube, which is another type of diode. The cathode is heated by the filament (in many tubes, the filament IS the cathode), which causes it to radiate electrons which are then captured by the positively-charged plate, or anode.

It is from this effect that the term "cathode ray tube" comes. In a CRT, the stream of electron flowing off of the cathode are magnetically focused into a beam, or ray.


It is also useful to consider the schematic symbol of a diode:

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This is symbolically illustrating the fact that current is blocked in the direction of Anode > Cathode.

Bottom line, because Public Health, only licenced people can service them (quarterly), they provide a report on the state of your system to the local government health officials. My contractor took 15 minutes a week or so ago to do mine, old report below. That costs me $85/quarter. Plus the electricity to run the blower and the pump for the sprinklers. Blowers have been consumables ($$!!), but between better heat insulation on the cover of the blower box, and a change in blower type, that seems to be fixed (I think I replaced three, the latest is looking good ATM), and I am on my second pump in nearly 30 years.

It was expensive to install, and the alternative (septic with specified engineered absorption field) would have been cheaper - if I could find a piece of suitable land, difficult in my situation. Clincher was the dam, which my house overlooks, I wanted to protect the water quality better than what the septic would.

It is good when we have a dry, right now we have more rain than we know what to do with - feast or famine!
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Worth spending money to protect!! Lots of wildlife frequent it, swans, ducks, range of water fowl, cormorants fish the yabbies etc etc

Remember that time when the engineers were arguing and the laymen were surprised because the engineers had declared that the science was settled?


"What's going on here?"


/Joe Schmo (Matt Gould)

Convention is that electricity flows from + to -. This standard existed before it was discovered that it is the electrons that move in conductors. So, the electrons move, which is opposite of the convention. (holes come into play in semi-conductors).

DNM

Random thought on EV's after seeing all these states banning ICE vehicles in a few years.

Has the concept of an onboard ICE generator and EV been explored?
Not an ICE engine that powers the vehicle, but is sole purpose to generate electricity for the battery.
This generator can be 1, 2, 3 cylinder gas, diesel, kerosene, natural gas, or propane, multi fuel? It only runs in the most efficient RPM and load. It can run when you aren't driving it, or not at all. You can also charge the vehicle the standard way from the wall power.

Is this not practical? Is it just easier to run a plug in hybrid? Are they even pushing hybrids anymore?

Again**, that's literally describing the (now deceased) Chevy Volt. The ICE charges the batteries which run the motors. It's only able to contribute direct torque to the drive train under certain specific conditions (i.e. with battery reserve capacity fully depleted and running over 70 mph).
Reference: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/c...t-a-generator/
That link was from clear back in 2010. The second generation models made even further improvements IIRC.

**Joe brought up similar question in the pic thread just recently

Ah, GM(or someone / something) killed it. I suppose that's why it didn't pop up when doing some research on such vehicles 10 minutes ago.
But it's still attached to the wheels:
I truly don't understand the forced EV movement.

Yeah, that quote by them was poorly stated. The car is clearly an all electric car, running off of electric motors via power from the battery. The only time the ICE is able to contribute torque to the gear set is when the battery reserve has been depleted and current consumption rate exceeds the recharge rate from the ICE, which basically only occurs at sustained speeds over 70 mph.

It is inexplicable. Almost as if they are trying to cripple the country. We just had a week of high temps here in CA and it was all they could do to minimize rolling blackouts because they could not keep up with demand (mostly due to AC usage). They specifically encouraged people to avoid charging their EVs until after 10PM to conserve power for the increased AC usage. How on earth would they ever be able handle the load if the vast majority of people were driving EVs ? Charging an EV takes a whole lot more juice than running your AC. To make matters even worse, the new building codes prohibit installing gas appliances in new homes; everything has to be electric. It's straight up insanity.

A simple solution would be the addition of Nuclear power plants. Maybe not on a fault line in California, but somewhere stable. I know people on this forum *coughJOEPcough* have discussed this multiple times.

And speaking of rare earth materials, how much lithium, nickel, and cobalt does the earth have? Has anyone done that study? With how we've become such a throw away society, nobody is keeping their EVs for more than 10 years. How is this sustainable?

To be fair, i wouldn't mind owning an EV for a DD. Something for my 60-100 mile a day commute and travel. Or even a plug in hybrid would be good. My energy costs are about $.18 kw/hr so it would easily cut what i spend on gas in half. I think it's cheaper at night too.
But on the other hand. No one had to convince anyone to get into cars when they first came out. People made the choice without mandates. For whatever reason electric cars are being pushed harder than ever. All they need to do is actually make the alternative better than what we have now and people will buy it.

This is rather interesting. Battery decline of a tesla battery submitted from thousands of people


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^^ That's actually pretty good for them to still have nearly 90% capacity after 180ish thousand miles of use. The Nissan Leaf absolutely pales in comparison.

One thing to remember is that Tesla artificially under-rates the battery. When new, it doesn't allow you to use the entire capacity. As it ages, it releases this reserve capacity to make it seem as though it's not degrading over time.

The tesla I rented was supposed to be the 410mi model. It wouldn't let me give it more than 355mi and it still took about an hour, and still cost way too much money and ran out way faster than indicated by probably double.

hard pass.

Not that I'm plugging Teslas in any way (I'm NOT), but the mileage you get from a full battery charge is highly variable depending on how you use it (similar to a tank of gas used for granny versus a leadfoot). That chart was showing overall battery performance vs overall mileage on the car, which is a separate issue from the single charge range. What Joe mentioned about Tesla's underrating is interesting. I'd be curious to know just how deep their reserve capacity well is.

You never charge a battery to 100% at a fast charger. most people charge for 15-20 minutes tops and off they go.

skip to 6:20 for the important bit

Today, I charged the gasoline tank in a Ford E350 from about 50% to 100% in roughly 4 minutes. Then, I charged the propane tank from about 20% to 100% in about two minutes.

Well, technically the lady at U-haul did that.

Say what you will about the E350, but you have to admit, it's taken more loads than @hustler's mom and just keeps on running.

Also:

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how it started:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/06/...-moss-landing/

how it's going:

https://www.ksbw.com/article/fire-ba...nding/41293594

Just buy an EV.

https://www.westernjournal.com/tesla...m_campaign=can

https://www.kmov.com/2022/09/20/news...er-delivering/

One born every minute. I did it, but I also did my homework on consumption, generation, pay-back period etc. Either this guy didn't, or there is a problem in his installation.

That is an insane cost for panels, my 10kw array would cost about $12-15k ($AUD) today. Couple of minor problems quickly sorted by the installer, otherwise trouble-free for 12-odd years.

OK, now read the article, looks like that might be an off-grid setup, could include batteries and a generator. Maybe the installer isn't up to the job either? There are enough shonks here for sure ...

This post from 13 years ago aged well.

I've only done one coast-to-coast RV journey, but numerous week-long trips centered around a specific destination, generally in some barren wilderness. More camping, less driving. That's where it's at.

I keep thinking about the rig I'm going to buy or build when retirement time finally rolls around, which is a lot closer to today than today is to when I wrote the above. I went through a 5th wheel phase, and a Class C with slider phase, and a van phase. But on the last two trips, I've encountered one family each driving an overlander. No slides, 4wd, tons of on-board water capacity. I really think that's where it's gonna land. Something like a Transit chassis-cab, with an all-aluminum body constructed on top of it...

Just for you, Joe, here is my setup midway through a 12k km trip just to see if it's true that there is desert in Utah. 80k CAD for a new truck and 25k CAD for a used 4 season camper. Go for your plan!
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I strongly approve of your decisions.

I've only done Utah once, in the area around Moab, but it's my favorite to date. Will be going again next spring. Some of the most interesting desert around.

I avoided the Arches natinoal park, as it tends to be busy and crowded. Spent a full week in the areas around it, including 3 full days at Dead Horse. Lots of decent boondocking grounds in the area as well.

If you haven't already heard, many (most?) Maverick fuel stations in that region offer free waste dump and fresh water fill.

Thanks for the cue! Since that picture, I've been back to northern Québec without knowing that trick and stopping in campings once in a while. It would have been A LOT less expensive, especially around Lake Powell.

Next target : Blanc-Sablon trough Fermont then to Newfoundland and back. Should look a bit different!

There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats. -Albert Schweizer

We're #1!

Chicago Beats Out New York to Earn Top Spot on List of ‘Rattiest' Cities

By Francie Swidler • Published October 17, 2022 •

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Chicago has landed on many great lists recently. This isn't one of them.


Chicago just came in the top spot on a new ranking of major metro cities -- but this is one list the city doesn't want to infest.

Orkin Pest Control on Monday released its annual report ranking the "Top 50 Rattiest Cities," from most rodent-filled to least.

And for the 8th consecutive year, Chicago, unfortunately has been crowned at No. 1

"Each fall, mice and other rodents invade an estimated 21 million homes in the United States," Orkin says, in a press release. "They typically enter homes between October and February looking for food, water and shelter from the cold."

Earlier this month, Doug Taron, curator of biology and vice president of research and conservation at the Peggy Notebaert Nature Museum warned of more mice entering homes in the Chicago-area for that same reason.

"Mice really try to go inside at this time of year," Taron said. "This is when a lot of people will notice that they have a mouse problem as the weather is getting cooler. And they are they're seeking, you know, shelter. And and in some cases, people provide them inadvertently food, too. So there's a lot to it for a mouse to like indoors at this time of year."

But just because rodents want to be inside your house doesn't mean you should invite them in. According to Orkin, rodents like rats and mice pose a variety of health issues and can cause structural damage.

“Not only are mice and rats a nuisance, but they are known to spread a variety of dangerous diseases, including Salmonella and Hantavirus," said said Ben Hottel, an Orkin entomologist. "Beyond health issues, rodents can cause severe structural damage with their strong jaws and burrowing skills. They have oversized front teeth for gnawing, and teeth which are adapted for chewing a variety of items including electrical wires, water pipes and gas lines."

The ranking, according to Orkin, is based on the "number of new rodent treatments performed from Sept. 1, 2021, to Aug. 31, 2022," in metro regions for both residential and commercial treatments.

Chicago came in No. 1 on the list for the eighth time in a row, Orkin says. New York earned the No. 2 spot, and Los Angeles came in third.

Here's which cities round out the top 10 "rattiest":

1. Chicago
2. New York
3. Los Angeles
4. Washington D.C.
5. San Francisco
6. Philadelphia
7. Baltimore
8. Cleveland
9. Detroit
10. Denver

Signs to look out for, Orkin says, of rats or mice inside your home might be: rodent droppings in kitchen cabinets or under sinks, gnaw marks on wood, wires and baseboards, nests made up of shredded paper or packing material, "rub marks" of dark grease or dirt along floorboards or walls, and strange, scurrying noises along the wall or in the attic.

Sound familiar? If you live in Chicago, it might.

Ah, rats.

Why the hell are lathe chuck spiders (spacers) so damned expensive? They are a fairly simple piece of metal, sometimes with magnets to hold them in place. Single pieces go for stupid money, and the sets can cost many hundreds of dollars.

I just 3D printed one I found on Thingiverse, and it cost me about 10 cents worth of plastic, and a few minutes to set up the printer and hit start.

For those who don't know, this is a $400 chuck spider:

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Mine looks about the same, but it is black plastic. If I decide to get really ---- about it, I'll flycut it front and back to ensure parallelism. But probably not.

Today I ate in a Cuban restaurant established circa 1990 by a Cuban immigrant / refugee: Papi's Cuban & Caribbean Grill in Stockbridge, Ga. Was good. Likely not as good as what Mrs. Perez would make, but I try to get Cuban when I can.

Masitas de Puerco followed by Tres Leches with Cuban coffee (black because having it with desert).

DNM

You've set a very high bar here.

And, really, that's not a fair thing to do.

Mrs. Perez will always make the best pastel de la medianoche. But, that's just, like, my opinion, man.

If Papi is making good food, then three cheers to Papi.

The more chefs, the merrier.

To my dismay the Cuban Cafe in Tulsa, Oklahoma closed down a few weeks ago.
My wife was a huge fan of their Flan

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May I present a handle (for a pizza cutter) that I made for a forum member who no longer posts

Mahogany, finished with one coat poly for durability:

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Interesting.

I still use that pen, by the way, exclusively for signing contracts / purchase orders. That pen you gave me has spent at least $5 million in the time I've owned it. It lives in the center drawer of my left desk, next to the bottle of aspirin.




This past June, Steven Dierkes fell into an 11 foot deep vat of molten iron at the Caterpillar factory in Mapleton, Illinois.

And I can't help but wonder... Does a person in that situation even have time to process the sensation of pain?

Do the component elements of your body remain biology long enough before turning into physics that the signal which says "I am surrounded by molten iron at 2,000°F" has a chance to make it to the brain and be processed, before the brain itself becomes an alloying material?

And, like, what did they do with the iron afterwards?

Do you go ahead and make engine blocks with it? Do you pour it out into a crucible, let it solidify, and then bury it in lieu of a body? All 110,000 lbs of it?

It's not like they're going to do an autopsy or a pathology report on it.

"Cause of death: stopped existing in discernable physical form."


The obituary begins:Don't you think that "passed away... workplace accident" is kind of under-selling it just a tad?

Joe,

Years ago, a man committed suicide at an Armco Steel factory by diving into the furnace. They let it solidify, cut the top 1' off, and buried that. Pretty much ceremonial, as, as you have postulated, most or all of the biological parts of his being were instantaneously evaporated.

DNM

Seriously?

When it comes time to go, do it peacefully, sitting in a camp chair overlooking whatever thing you deem most beautiful, breathing pure nitrogen through a mask with an exit-valve.

Don't screw up everyone else's workday and cause them to resent you for all extra safety courses you caused them to have to sit through.

Humans are pretty close to the density of water -- molten iron is seven times as dense. It'd probably be more like falling ONTO rather than into.

And yeah, I suspect you'd survive long enough for it to hurt a whole lot. :(

--Ian

Sounds a little bit like the death room from Soylent Green

That darn cat!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-luggage.html

I just finished watching a documentary that effected me. It was ostensibly about a nightclub fire in Romania but unfolded into a story about political corruption and a government run hospital system that amazed me. 90% of ICU patients die there. Do recommend. It is called "Collective" after the name of the nightclub that burned. I saw it on Hulu. Give it ten minutes and see if you aren't pulled in.

The press is so corrupt in Romania that the only periodical that is looking for answers is a sports daily newspaper. The investigative repoter being followed has a good quote -

"When the press bows down to the authorities, the authorities will mistreat the citizens."
-Catalin Tolontan

Enjoy.

A small vertical "steam" engine I made on my time off:

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Roger,

Like everything you craft, that is an absolute masterwork. I am immensely impressed.

Six People, Including 3 Children, Die in India after Their Throats Are Slit Open by Kite Strings During International Kite-Flying Festival

The incidents were reported over the weekend as festival-goers flocked outside in big numbers to fly kites on rooftops and terraces.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/six-people-including-3-children-die-india-after-their-throats-are-slit-open-by-kite-strings-68663

They apparently coat the kite strings with powdered glass to rip apart other kites in competition. I had no idea this* is somewhat common there.:bang:

*The maiming or killing of people (not the coating the strings).

Ok, this is a hell of an interesting coincidence.

On March 4th, 2001 the pilot episode of The Lone Gunmen, a spin-off of The X-Files, was broadcast. The second half of the plot involved government operatives flying a passenger airliner into the World Trade Center towers and framing international terrorists for the deed. This would cause the US government to spend money and expend military resources fighting some tin-pot dictator in response to the terrorists, benefitting the military industrial complex.

This was aired six months prior to the actual terrorist event.

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I don't think that word means what you think it means.