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Old 08-24-2010, 05:13 PM   #21
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Get a glock 30. I love .45 acp. Everyone has their own ideas on the best ammo though. Shoot, see what you like and go with it. I have a sw990l right now. I love that damn thing too. I wouldn't cc it though.
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None of that means that you have an extensive knowledge about terminal ballistics.

EDIT - To the OP, if you want to learn more about ballistics, take a gander at - http://www.m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=91

DocGKR, who posted the stickied threads, is Dr. Gary Roberts.

"Dr. Roberts is currently on staff at Stanford University Medical Center, a large teaching hospital and Level I Trauma Center were he performs hospital dentistry and surgery. After completing his residency at Navy Hospital Oakland in 1989, Roberts studied at the Army Wound Ballistic Research Laboratory: Letterman Army Institute of Research while on active military duty, and became one of the first members of the International Wound Ballistic Association.

Currently Roberts has been tasked with performing military, law enforcement, and privately funded independent wound ballistic testing and analysis. Roberts remains a Navy Reserve Officer and has recently served on the Joint Service Wound Ballistic IPT, as well as being a consultant to the Joint FBI-USMC munitions testing program and the TSWG MURG program. Roberts is frequently asked to provide wound ballistic technical assistance to numerous U.S. and allied SOF units and organizations.

Roberts is also a technical advisor to the Association of Firearms and Toolmark Examiners, as well as to a variety of federal, state and municipal law enforcement agencies. He has been a sworn Reserve Police Officer in the San Francisco Bay Area, where he now he serves in an LE training role."
Good read. 5.56, another crappy round particularly in the god awful m16/m4 platform. One of these days (hopefully soon) our military will figure out that a main battle rifle should have a piston and be configurable in 7.62 nato.
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Old 08-24-2010, 05:19 PM   #23
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Get a glock 30. I love .45 acp. Everyone has their own ideas on the best ammo though. Shoot, see what you like and go with it. I have a sw990l right now. I love that damn thing too. I wouldn't cc it though.
Glock30 is my normal carry piece and a great pistol although I've started carrying a 27 (.40s&w) during the summer as it's a bit thinner and more comfortable.
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Glock30 is my normal carry piece and a great pistol although I've started carrying a 27 (.40s&w) during the summer as it's a bit thinner and more comfortable.
Want a really kickass G30? I'm selling my G30 that was completely worked over by Boresight Solutions.
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Want a really kickass G30? I'm selling my G30 that was completely worked over by Boresight Solutions.
Would love to but I've got too many ahead of it on the list...

suppressed .22
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.22 suppressor has been near the top of my list for a long time but it keeps getting pushed down. Hard to justify $400 and the time spent on paperwork just for a toy.

I actually have the pistol ready for a suppressor...S&W 622 with an aftermarket barrel bushing threaded for a suppressor.
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Old 08-24-2010, 05:49 PM   #27
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I absolutely love my Kimber Compact Stainless... looks great, shoots great, and isn't too large to carry. Only bad spot is 7 round magazines, but if you need more than 7 you have bigger problems.
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I vote .40 or 9mm whichever is more comfy for you. I personally have a mini Desert Eagle in .40 and my wife has a subcompact XD-9. I can't shoot her's for ****. The barrel is just way to short to get tight consistent groupings. Mine, on the other hand, I can keep nice tight groups all day long with it.
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**** I say 9mm sig plastic frame. 18 rounds of sig quality , glock style.
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Old 08-25-2010, 12:16 AM   #30
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Start with a good quality 22 L.R., like these Browing Buck Marks for example:

http://www.browning.com/products/cat...k-Mark-Pistols

22 ammunition is roughly 1/10th the cost of just about any other round. Shoot the **** out of that 22 so you can learn how to hit something without having to mortgage the house, and while you figure out that a .45 is really what you really need. Sell the 22 for most of what you paid for it, or keep it for ***** and grins and cheap plinking (your girlfriend will be happy you did), buy the .45, and you'll be good.
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Holy smokes, a guy just offered to trade me his Springfield SOCOM II straight up for my worked-over G30...that's a $2000 rifle for a pistol I've got a grand or so in.
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Old 08-25-2010, 01:05 AM   #32
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For zombies? .22 LR hands down. Stopping power is a non issue when it comes to zombies so you're better off with a light recoiling pistol that will enable you to rapidly regain your sight picture on a flesh eating zombie's head.
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Kimbers are nice, but are expensive. I carried the Glock 19 in Iraq and I loved it...light, you can drop it and not give a ****, and cheap. I recommend 9MM over .45 anyways but that's a different subject.
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umm zombie apocopalipse 357 magnum /thread. it shoots the magnums and normal 38's making it versatile on ammo it is dead reliable and fairly accurate + it actualy has enough heft and, clout to brain said zombies if you run out of bullets. the downfall however is that it only has 6 shots. but find some dead cops and take there speed laoders and you will be a ok.
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For zombies? .22 LR hands down. Stopping power is a non issue when it comes to zombies so you're better off with a light recoiling pistol that will enable you to rapidly regain your sight picture on a flesh eating zombie's head.
This. Ammo is cheap enough. Then for a Main Battle rifle, choose an AK variant, and you should be good to go. The PMR would be nice in .22LR though.
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.45 carbine with a pistol that uses the same mags.
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If it's the zombie apocalypse you are preparing for as you originally stated, you might want to look shotgun/rifle before a handgun.
+1 your handgun will be your last line of defense - I reccomenda 22LR - ammo is plenty and cheap. A pop in the head and most are down and out. Why not have all 3 and start some 3-gun? My rifle calibers that I reload for are based on what the military uses - 223/5.56 and 308/7.62 That ways, when the zombie horde is gnawing on the flesh of fallen soldiers, I *might* have a chance to grab some ammo. A good 'ole 12ga shotgun is nice to have too - perfect home defense weapon that shreds the living and undead to tiny pieces - although blood spatter may be a problem - just don't get any on you!
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One of these days (hopefully soon) our military will figure out that a main battle rifle should have a piston and be configurable in 7.62 nato.
For a reasonable weigh of ammunition one can carry around, you get about TWICE the 5.56mm rounds than the 7.62mm. Having said that, the 7.62x51mm IS my preferred ammo when it comes to stopping power on a carbine (I used to shoot a H&K G3A4 and an HK11 when I was still stationed in a SAM site). It will definitely rip your arm off and split your rib cage in half on impact on anything less than 300'.

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This is completely hypothetical as I dont have any spare hundreds laying around to spend on this. But I would like to have an idea for what would be good when the zombie apocalypse gets here.
These aren't handguns but they will probably do a good job on zombies in close range. 12 GA ammo will be plentiful during the zombie apocalypse (lots of dead rednecks from what I have seen in the movies). During the actual apocalypse I will most likely be in a bunker on a hill with a high powered rifle. I prefer to kill my zombies long range.



FWIW, a friend and I shot a little more than 500 rounds of .22LR today through a Walther P22 pistol and Ruger 10-22 rifle. It was cheap ammo purchased at Walmart and I think we had two fail to load problems with the Walther and two or three stovepiped spent rounds with the Ruger.



If you are serious about CC I would highly recommend the Keltec P32. I've fitted mine with a laser and carry it in my front pocket every place I go. A lot of people will give you jazz about using a .32 ACP round but I have yet to meet anyone who carries their .45 around with them on a daily basis. Yes, it will let the blood out of the bad guy but I am hoping that the red dot on their chest will stop the conflict before it gets to that point.

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Walther has a .40cal version of the P99. The good part about this gun was that you could buy match grade 9mm and .357 barrels for it. practice with cheap 9mm until you get good, then practice with .40 or .357 to carry. Just a thought. I think each barrel was an extra $100 bucks.
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