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Old 08-26-2010, 12:39 AM   #41
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Figured I chime in...

General Use: 9mm or .45 auto w/ 4-in barrel. - It makes a good range gun that can double as a carry or home defense weapon *if necessary*

Daily Carry: Ruger LCP .380 or any of its siblings on the market, using CorBon JHPs and a laser sight. - But CC would be its only function...

Home Defense: Ruger GP-100 .357 Magnum w/ 4-in heavy barrel, using Glaser Safety Slugs. - More manueverable than a 12-ga; just need to pull the trigger again vs clearing a jam/misfire on an auto.

Anything over 15-20 meters: A rifle.

Moral of the story: "You should own more than one firearm..."

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This is what happens when you shoot someone in the head with a .32 ACP:

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news...uspect_ca.html
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This is completely hypothetical as I dont have any spare hundreds laying around to spend on this. But I would like to have an idea for what would be good when the zombie apocalypse gets here.
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Old 08-28-2010, 06:35 PM   #45
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Seriously, every handgun caliber sucks ***** in stopping power. None of them do enough damage to physically stop someone unless you get very lucky and blow up their brain or their heart. So, unless you're confident you can do that, pick the caliber that lets you punch as many holes in their major organs as possible.
Agreed. Deer are about human size (and they are generally tougher) and its not at all uncommon for them to run quite a distance after being shot with a .308 or similar sized rifle round. The .308 makes about 4 times the energy of the almighty .45
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Old 08-29-2010, 12:11 PM   #46
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After the fun hand gun recomendation thread I started awhile back in here I have made progress. I now have a 12G Maverick (Cheapo Mossberg 500 basically) thats 5+1, and a .357 on the way. 3" 00 Buckshot is awesome. So are deer slugs. So is 100 rounds of trap shooting ammo at Walmart for 20 bucks, and that's coming from someone who hates Walmart.

After firing a lot of guns recently, I just dont like most of the CCW stuff. Guns that light and small have a ton of precieved recoil no matter what round they chamber. I fired neat little Taurus Ultra-light .38 (Not even super-P ammo in it.), and it kicks much more than the .357 I'm getting (Dan Wesson B model without the adjustable sights.) Despite the fact that the .357 has a much higher muzzle velocity. Maybe an automatic will negate that a bit, but it seems like a lot of comprimise for one benefit most people dont even need.

Not that it really matters a whole lot for Zombies, but put some .45ACP and some .357 Mag through a dishwasher or refridgerator some time. The .357 will usually go right through, where a lot of the .45 rounds will still be inside the appliance when you are done. .357 has a ton of penetrating power. That might allow for multiple undead targets with each round in a melee situation.

So unless you absolutely need to carry comfortably a lot, I vote for a larger frame gun all the way. And when the Zombies come, every state is an open carry state

So get a shotgun, then IMHO something like a Springfield XD .45. I like those a lot.
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Agreed. Deer are about human size (and they are generally tougher) and its not at all uncommon for them to run quite a distance after being shot with a .308 or similar sized rifle round. The .308 makes about 4 times the energy of the almighty .45
Clearly you would keep on coming if you were shot with a .45 from 10-15 feet away... are you people ******* joking or are you just plain stupid?
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Clearly you would keep on coming if you were shot with a .45 from 10-15 feet away... are you people ******* joking or are you just plain stupid?
I guess nobody told this guy that he was supposed to stop coming...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews
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I guess nobody told this guy that he was supposed to stop coming...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews
Says he was black...clearly he was on crack and this doesn't count
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Clearly you would keep on coming if you were shot with a .45 from 10-15 feet away... are you people ******* joking or are you just plain stupid?
I wish I could find an article about the 9v40v45 debate. It was written by a cop that had seen all 3 rounds fail to stop people. He basically recommended to split the difference and go with the .40. Enough punch but still small enough to carry plenty of ammo.
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Clearly you would keep on coming if you were shot with a .45 from 10-15 feet away... are you people ******* joking or are you just plain stupid?
Only CNS damage stops someone from coming. A .45 gives you an additional 52% frontal area with a hollowpoint compared to a 9mm. That just means you have a little bigger circle to hit a tiny target that's moving very quickly.

Handguns don't drop people with determination to kill or those on drugs. They make little finger sized holes that scare a normal person for their life or hurt someone enough to make them rethink.
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I wish I could find an article about the 9v40v45 debate. It was written by a cop that had seen all 3 rounds fail to stop people. He basically recommended to split the difference and go with the .40. Enough punch but still small enough to carry plenty of ammo.
No need to find an article written by one cop. Just go here to see actual data from thousands of people shot with guns. It will allow you to compare the "one shot stop" of different rounds:

http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppi...=18&Weight=230

My little 32 ACP FMJ has a 49% chance for a one shot stop (203 actual shootings) vs a 45 ACP hydroshock with a 96% chance.

IMHO, the problem with any study like this is - will I be actually have my gun with me (and will I get "lucky" enough with shot placement). Since I have no control over the luck of shot placement I can only control if I have my gun with me. If you see me on the street I WILL have my 32ACP on me - 100% of the time. I doubt that there are many who carry a concealed 45 100% of the time and I think that will make all the difference in the world.

I am serving my 2nd year on county Grand Jury right now (yes, 2 years!) and you would not believe the number of cases that come before us where people are just walking to their car in the middle of the day at Walmart and get robbed/beaten/etc. It has been a real eye opener. Carrying a CW has made me more aware of my surroundings and given me a little edge that I never had before.
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I carry a CZ P-01 in 9mm. It's a medium frame gun, but is decently narrow, lightweight, and conceals pretty decently. So far it's been 100% reliable, even with cheap ammo. It's testing is also some of the most rigorous tests on any available handgun out there on the market. NATO classified and based on the most used pistol in the world, the CZ75. All of that fancy shmancy talk, talked me into it.

Some of the info on the testing. Impressively reliable. Very simple to strip and clean as well. I also love the internal slide design, very sturdy and stable.

http://cz-usa.com/press-releases/102

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I guess nobody told this guy that he was supposed to stop coming...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews
Of course this has to be a ******* civil rights issue, and the goddamn NAACP has to get involved. It makes me so damn mad every time I see a case like this. If they were black, the NAACP will be there to be sure racial tension is high and to try and pass it off as a racist issue. "White cops hate the black man, so they shot him".
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This is completely hypothetical as I dont have any spare hundreds laying around to spend on this. But I would like to have an idea for what would be good when the zombie apocalypse gets here.
I want to change my comment. If you are going zombie, you want through and through to get to the next zombie. 7.62x25 Tokarov.
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i want to change my comment. If you are going zombie, you want through and through to get to the next zombie. 7.62x25 tokarov.
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I actually alternate between two handguns and three calibers in my CC guns. The two guns are a Russian Makarov (.380 or 9X18, depending on which barrel I have in) and a Colt Series 80 MK IV Officer Compact (.45ACP). Love them both...
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I carry a CZ P-01 in 9mm. It's a medium frame gun, but is decently narrow, lightweight, and conceals pretty decently. So far it's been 100% reliable, even with cheap ammo. It's testing is also some of the most rigorous tests on any available handgun out there on the market. NATO classified and based on the most used pistol in the world, the CZ75. All of that fancy shmancy talk, talked me into it.

Some of the info on the testing. Impressively reliable. Very simple to strip and clean as well. I also love the internal slide design, very sturdy and stable.

How big a guy are you? I've been looking for a carry gun for a while, leaning towards a G19 at the moment.

I have one of these, a CZ 75 B SA (single action):


But because I'm a small-frame guy (150lb) I might as well carry a 1911: full size double stack 9mms are just as big H x W, and about 50% thicker.
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How big a guy are you? I've been looking for a carry gun for a while, leaning towards a G19 at the moment.

I have one of these, a CZ 75 B SA (single action):


But because I'm a small-frame guy (150lb) I might as well carry a 1911: full size double stack 9mms are just as big H x W, and about 50% thicker.
I'm pretty small now. Was ~200 at 6', now about 155. It is noticeable and I wouldn't recommend it for summer carry, but winter or any other season where you can wear a light jacket, it's perfectly doable. I've been preparing to buy a smaller gun for year round carry though, something tiny and pocketable. If the 75B is too big, the P-01 is nearly as bad, it's only an inch or so shorter in barrel length. There are better carry weapons, but I like my P-01, it's good overall.
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as far as handguns go u want a silenced .22, easy to carry, shoot, you can carry 1000's of ammo most are easy to convert to full auto, and homemade silencers are simple to make. there are plenty out there and not to mention u can carry more than one, they usually r not too heavy but still durable. unless u want to have some fun blowing **** away, and be as loud and obnoxious as possible carry a taurus Judge lol
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