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Cross-bike crew, what's the go-to setup for canti brakes? The Kona has a fork that's drilled for a crown-mounted front cable guide, so I'm hoping that and the 1-1/8" to 1-1/2" head tube will eliminate/limit front brake shudder. Looking for recommendations on pads, calipers, and everything else.
(Discs are not an option, I'm not ready to take that $1700 leap yet)
(Discs are not an option, I'm not ready to take that $1700 leap yet)
#2543
Cross-bike crew, what's the go-to setup for canti brakes? The Kona has a fork that's drilled for a crown-mounted front cable guide, so I'm hoping that and the 1-1/8" to 1-1/2" head tube will eliminate/limit front brake shudder. Looking for recommendations on pads, calipers, and everything else.
(Discs are not an option, I'm not ready to take that $1700 leap yet)
(Discs are not an option, I'm not ready to take that $1700 leap yet)
Most areas of cali there is very little clay in the soil so it tends not to clump and stick so bad, making V brakes a viable option. Cantis just never have the power of V brake. Most V brakes require a more cable pull than an STI shifter will provide so you need a leverage converter thing to increase the leverage ratio a bit. Pads are key. If you buy a brake set up and it has the right amount of cable pull but lacks power, just try race pads.
You might try calling the guys at cyclocrossworld.com for advice. Let then know what part of the country you're in, how much you weigh and if you will be racing or not.
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The Angry Singlespeeder: I am so over the road - Mtbr.com
Also, anyone ever ridden one of these scott voltage bikes i linked on the previous page? Going to ride one at angelfire this weekend and pick it up (along with a 2015 gravity pass) if I like it!
Also, anyone ever ridden one of these scott voltage bikes i linked on the previous page? Going to ride one at angelfire this weekend and pick it up (along with a 2015 gravity pass) if I like it!
#2550
When talking about new gear... decided to build a single bike frame before I kill 2 of us trying out a first frame build starting with a tandem bike.
same alloy, same requirements... just a single bike.
Keeping it a cheap build, since I don't really need another bike... but this will look cool, and I will likely use it to ride to work.
-Huge bottom bracket drop A-la TT bike
-72.5 degree HT angle a-la TT bike
-sliding horizontal dropouts
-chainstay mounted centerpull rear brake (single speed bike, not always fixed)
-internal cable routing for rear brake
-aero tube profiles
-tapered carbon ebay fork
-ebay carbon tubulars-what better place to try tubs than a bike I barely intend to ride.
-one seatpost mount TT style water bottle for loner SS rides/for coffee on my ride to work
same alloy, same requirements... just a single bike.
Keeping it a cheap build, since I don't really need another bike... but this will look cool, and I will likely use it to ride to work.
-Huge bottom bracket drop A-la TT bike
-72.5 degree HT angle a-la TT bike
-sliding horizontal dropouts
-chainstay mounted centerpull rear brake (single speed bike, not always fixed)
-internal cable routing for rear brake
-aero tube profiles
-tapered carbon ebay fork
-ebay carbon tubulars-what better place to try tubs than a bike I barely intend to ride.
-one seatpost mount TT style water bottle for loner SS rides/for coffee on my ride to work
I'm not sure exaclty which brake setup you mean. However, I would recommend a shimano direct mount 5800. They are really cheap, should be easy to mount, and have great stopping power. The reason I sold my last TT bike was having to deal with crappy aero brakes. If you only have one, make sure it works flawlessly.
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I haven't ridden a TT bike, LOL.
I wouldn't run fixed... seems undesirable.
Fork is designed based on a real fork rake as designed in that picture. 43mm off the top of my head with ~400mm axle to crown from memory.
I was planning to run a 165 or 170mm crank to be more of a cadence machine than a torque requiring knee killer single speed.
Campy rear brake. I would weld a brake bridge into the chainstays to mount this, with an internally routed cable that would pop out right at the bottom bracket with only a few inches of exposed housing.
I wouldn't run fixed... seems undesirable.
Fork is designed based on a real fork rake as designed in that picture. 43mm off the top of my head with ~400mm axle to crown from memory.
I was planning to run a 165 or 170mm crank to be more of a cadence machine than a torque requiring knee killer single speed.
Campy rear brake. I would weld a brake bridge into the chainstays to mount this, with an internally routed cable that would pop out right at the bottom bracket with only a few inches of exposed housing.
#2553
If you are going through the effort of an aero brake, don't do a center pull. Unless you are routing it with integrated cable stops and only 5" of housing, it will be beyond mushy. Even if you do fix the mushy brake lever, it will still be a pretty weak brake.
It is your only brake. Front brakes stop about 3x as well as rear brakes. The dual pivot direct mount rear brakes are what you want, even if you don't know it. Room for a 28c tire. They are $40, new.
It is your only brake. Front brakes stop about 3x as well as rear brakes. The dual pivot direct mount rear brakes are what you want, even if you don't know it. Room for a 28c tire. They are $40, new.
#2554
The Angry Singlespeeder: I am so over the road - Mtbr.com
Also, anyone ever ridden one of these scott voltage bikes i linked on the previous page? Going to ride one at angelfire this weekend and pick it up (along with a 2015 gravity pass) if I like it!
Also, anyone ever ridden one of these scott voltage bikes i linked on the previous page? Going to ride one at angelfire this weekend and pick it up (along with a 2015 gravity pass) if I like it!
The suspension is the biggest letdown. Proprietary damping setups with no compression adjustment. X-fusion actually makes a few decent fork and I don't know if this version utilizes a shim stack in the fork or if the damping cart is up gradable. Same with the rear shock although some what normal for bottom barrel rear shocks.
Overall not a terrible bike but I'd be ***** deep in upgrading it and it would overall be a pointless purchase. That being said... ride it. If you like it, buy it. Make sure to rail it over some braking bumps and something that tests the high/low speed compression so you know what you think of the factory tune and port damping units. Bikes with very little low speed compression feel great in the parking lot but have brake dive and pack down on the trail.
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I will be running both. I just don't have it shown on the fork.
I was building it with cable stops, there would only be enough brake housing to get it from the aero levers to the frame cable stop. the internal routing would be without housing and there would then only be a few inches of housing at the bottom bracket...
If you are going through the effort of an aero brake, don't do a center pull. Unless you are routing it with integrated cable stops and only 5" of housing, it will be beyond mushy. Even if you do fix the mushy brake lever, it will still be a pretty weak brake.
It is your only brake. Front brakes stop about 3x as well as rear brakes. The dual pivot direct mount rear brakes are what you want, even if you don't know it. Room for a 28c tire. They are $40, new.
It is your only brake. Front brakes stop about 3x as well as rear brakes. The dual pivot direct mount rear brakes are what you want, even if you don't know it. Room for a 28c tire. They are $40, new.
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scott's website sucks and doesn't give much of any geometry info. Build out is mostly **** but for the drivetrain is good enough for gravity stuff. I would assume it would ride decent enough. Has what is essentially a 4 bar style rear end which is going to be pretty decent for not needlessly blowing through travel. Brakes are very meh.
The suspension is the biggest letdown. Proprietary damping setups with no compression adjustment. X-fusion actually makes a few decent fork and I don't know if this version utilizes a shim stack in the fork or if the damping cart is up gradable. Same with the rear shock although some what normal for bottom barrel rear shocks.
Overall not a terrible bike but I'd be ***** deep in upgrading it and it would overall be a pointless purchase. That being said... ride it. If you like it, buy it. Make sure to rail it over some braking bumps and something that tests the high/low speed compression so you know what you think of the factory tune and port damping units. Bikes with very little low speed compression feel great in the parking lot but have brake dive and pack down on the trail.
The suspension is the biggest letdown. Proprietary damping setups with no compression adjustment. X-fusion actually makes a few decent fork and I don't know if this version utilizes a shim stack in the fork or if the damping cart is up gradable. Same with the rear shock although some what normal for bottom barrel rear shocks.
Overall not a terrible bike but I'd be ***** deep in upgrading it and it would overall be a pointless purchase. That being said... ride it. If you like it, buy it. Make sure to rail it over some braking bumps and something that tests the high/low speed compression so you know what you think of the factory tune and port damping units. Bikes with very little low speed compression feel great in the parking lot but have brake dive and pack down on the trail.
Thanks for your input. Pretty much what I had in mind. At this point it's only in my grasp if I go with something like that. I get the bike and a pass for $1200, the bikes are rentals but they rebuild the fork and put new bearings in the pivots, as well as bleed the brakes and whatnot before they sell em to you. You can also rent the bike, and if you choose to buy they will apply the rental cost towards the bike.. so I might do that this weekend. I figure if it gets me riding angelfire it's well worth the investment, and I can upgrade the parts as I see fit over time just like anything else.
It's either that, or wait another year to get into it. I do have enough **** to do as-is, lol.