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Old 11-23-2011, 10:59 PM   #21
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FoMoCo sued Navistar over the warranty claims on 6.0 trucks. The internet isn't always perfect, but sometimes the things you hear about online are every bit as bad as they are claimed to be.
Still disagree. You always hear more online which is bad than what is good. Not to say the engine is perfect but from the reading I have done maintenance is the key to making it last. I have warranty. if the engine blows up its covered... i got 3 years of figuring it out. Certainly not in my best interest to buy and sell a week later. Not sure if you do business or not, but that is **** poor business and generally equates to a loss in private car ownership & sales; i am not a dealer afterall. Only thing this truck can cost me is regular maintenance and time. Blows up, warranty, rental life goes on. On the 4th year, different story perhaps.

The lawsuit had more to do with cost sharing on warranty claims as I recall and price inflation on another motor they had built. While i haven't googled it, I am not sure ford sued them because the 6.0 was utter fail though they could have, just never heard of it. And even if that is the case, I will still drive the truck, imploding or not for 3 years cause hey, warranty.

I certainly wont sell the truck any time soon.

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If you offered that truck to me 100% free of charge, with the warranty you've got, I wouldn't take it. That should give you an idea of what I think it's worth. Sell it ASAP.
Yea well, we know that isnt true.
Sounding like the mustang owner who said he wouldn't trade his 92 Mustang for a brand new ferrari.... we knew that wasn't true either.
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Old 11-23-2011, 11:06 PM   #22
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Engine bay pics?
I grab tomorrow maybe. now time to get some food.
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Old 11-23-2011, 11:20 PM   #23
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Whos the warranty through?

Had a old lady come in, 01 Toyota Corrola. Bottom end Knock. Told her it needed a motor. She said I have a warranty. I called them, they said she has to pay for a tear down before we'll do anything. Call her and explain it to her tell her it could go either way, I dont know the history on the car. Pulled it down and called them. Said they'd send someone out. Next day a guy walks in, goes to the last bay, picks up ONE main bearing and says "Nope not covered" and walks out the door. He was in my shop for all of 1 minute. It was complete bullshit.

Had an 03 mustang in the shop. Guys says fix everything. I tell him those warranties dont cover ****. He says trust me they do. He didnt have his contract so I called the warranty company and asked the rep to give me a run down down of what this guys warranty covered, he said No. I said okay then give me a basic idea so I can prepare this guy. Guy says "Not my job" and hangs up. Tell customer he says dont worry about it everythings covered. Checked the car out. Needs 3200 in work. Call warranty company to set up claim. They said they would cover 118 in repairs for a trans seal. Customer has a 100 dollar deductible and they will not cover any diagnostic work. So they actually only covered 18 dollars.

I hope its not one an aftermarket warranty, Ive had pretty extensive dealings with them and they are pretty much a joke. They work for 1 out of 100 people. Most parts that normally need replacing arent covered.
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Old 11-23-2011, 11:59 PM   #24
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Whos the warranty through?

Had a old lady come in, 01 Toyota Corrola. Bottom end Knock. Told her it needed a motor. She said I have a warranty. I called them, they said she has to pay for a tear down before we'll do anything. Call her and explain it to her tell her it could go either way, I dont know the history on the car. Pulled it down and called them. Said they'd send someone out. Next day a guy walks in, goes to the last bay, picks up ONE main bearing and says "Nope not covered" and walks out the door. He was in my shop for all of 1 minute. It was complete bullshit.

Had an 03 mustang in the shop. Guys says fix everything. I tell him those warranties dont cover ****. He says trust me they do. He didnt have his contract so I called the warranty company and asked the rep to give me a run down down of what this guys warranty covered, he said No. I said okay then give me a basic idea so I can prepare this guy. Guy says "Not my job" and hangs up. Tell customer he says dont worry about it everythings covered. Checked the car out. Needs 3200 in work. Call warranty company to set up claim. They said they would cover 118 in repairs for a trans seal. Customer has a 100 dollar deductible and they will not cover any diagnostic work. So they actually only covered 18 dollars.

I hope its not one an aftermarket warranty, Ive had pretty extensive dealings with them and they are pretty much a joke. They work for 1 out of 100 people. Most parts that normally need replacing arent covered.
Warranty is through a company called Lubrico
Now Lombard Canada insures them, Lombard is a bag of dicks but they have cash.

I have never had a claim with Lubrico so yea, who knows what will really happen when its show time. Lombard is your typical never wanting to pay out ever dick smacks though.

On lubricos site they have a pamphlet. I have the superior protection. I am pretty certain that I would incur some costs even while having their warranty. For instance, I dont know if I am on the hook for re/re but I would guess I am. I also dont know if the cab of the x needs to be lifted to pull the engine out or they drop it, I just dont know.

Sometimes insurers need motivation and sometimes thats a big hassle. Again, with the amount of jinxing from Sav it will likely implode by friday, but hopefully not.

For the 6.0 I didn't realize there was an issue with the cooler gunking up and the egr failing leading to death of engine, but there are ways to monitor that with the edge insight which I plan to pick up. The Edge Insight will allow max levels before sounding an alarm.


Was the 03 Mustang atleast a cobra?


Having the insurance adds to a state of mind that I am ok with this thing. I cant work on it in my residence, people will complain. I certainly dont know enough about diesel to act as if I know anyways. I feel better knowing that something is covered. Either way, it breaks I am certain i have to pay something out be it in time, stress or cash.

PS.. good news.. made it out for a soda and burger and back.. no fail.

PPS.. more scared lubrico will fail before the 6.0. lol..
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Swap a 5.4 4v into the Mustang. Swap a Cummins into the Excursion.

Next.
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Not big enough.
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It was a 6 cylinder which explains the lack of maintenance the car had seen.

The 6.0 Diesels only have 4 head studs per cylinder and they use **** torque to yield bolts so the 6.0s loose alot of headgaskets.
For reference, SBCs have always had 5 bolts for cylinder then the LS1 went to 4 per cylinder. Now the boost guys are having issues with lifting heads and bleeding boost into the cooling system. So common, in fact, when GM designed the LSx block they added provisions for extra bolts per cylinder.

Also the only reliable 6.0s I know of have been COMPLETELY STOCK. I would not put a tuner on it.
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No loss then. SN95 V6's are junk, I heard there pretty just 351's with a couple of cylinders lopped off.
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Old 11-25-2011, 12:06 AM   #29
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Also the only reliable 6.0s I know of have been COMPLETELY STOCK. I would not put a tuner on it.
Won't tune, just monitor.
Oil changes 5k or less etc.

But you never know, it could implode for any reason.
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Then hopefully you will have no problems.

I heard the injector problems stemmed from long oil change intervals or wrong oil being used, how true it is, i have no idea, but I would stick to a 5K interval.
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A tuner can be helpful to turn off EGR.
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Today I spent some quality time with the truck. Gave it a wash, farted around with it a bit and so far have:

- seen some dents and scratches. Some i hadnt seen before. boo.

- rear bumper looks like its been tweaked. didn't look under the chassis or bumper skin but its certainly off by about half an inch or the fender is on the passenger side.

- glow plug bulb may be out, may not. dealer visit monday. no volt meter here and non the of the hood rats have one so can't test on my own. Two different sites said most likely just the bulb.

- theft light on / blinking. tried to sync the systems with a how to i seen online but it failed. dealership monday.

Now, after some research and reading.
http://oilchange.lubrico.com/OilChange.aspx
to keep your warranty you must update their system often with your oil services. Its a requirement meaning that if you do not do this but your rear diff implodes they can opt not to warranty you due to you not maintaining the oil change update.
Other interesting print that I found myself..
1- diesel fuel injection systems arent covered.
2- 4wd locking hub arent covered.
3- they only pay upto $60 towing IF the truck and is covered under their repair and you better hope you only need towing 3x, after that sol.
4- seeping or sweating gaskets are not covered, only 100% failure is.
5- computer systems are not covered.

there is more fine print im sure. I need to take a look at it.
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if it ain't lifted, you ain't rollin it right
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See how monday goes. If my *** isnt hurting too much might start looking at a small life, 2" and some times.. need tires more than lift.

Wife complains when we take it out now.. so ghey, too loud she says.
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Buy her some earplugs.
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Other interesting print that I found myself..
1- diesel fuel injection systems arent covered.
5- computer systems are not covered.
So you bought a 6.0 PSD with an un-warrantied PCM and un-warrantied fuel injectors?


:r ofl::rof l: :r ofl::rof l:


Sell that **** before it costs you a TON of money and leaves you stranded, dude.
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So you bought a 6.0 PSD with an un-warrantied PCM and un-warrantied fuel injectors?


:r ofl::rof l: :r ofl::rof l:


Sell that **** before it costs you a TON of money and leaves you stranded, dude.
The injectors aren't really any better/worse than any other non common rail diesel.

It's the EGR system that causes problems. It should be disabled. You should also start saving for the head gasket fund.
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An update on the dealership visit today (not good).

This is the email I just sent the dealer I bought the truck from:

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Hi Duane / Mike

The truck is at the Erin Ford dealership
905-828-1600
Etta was the rep that called me, she is not the diesel tech.

Vehicle was dropped off to get the following work done:
glow plug light fixed (wasn't turning on)
cable added to the block heater for winter
flashing theft light fixed.

None of these items were able to be fixed. While I haven't picked up the paperwork or the truck yet they did call me to inform me that:

cluster has an issue and cannot cater to a glow plug light.
the chassis is a 2003 / 2004. The body is a 2005 Gas body.
the theft light cannot be fixed because the electronics are from different vehicles (pats & pcim)

They also said the truck shouldn't be at ford since its a Frankenstein and a mish mash of parts.
So, no work was done except inspection to the tune of $250

The dealer also took issue with the VIN
1FMNU43S45ED44953 (found a vin decoder here - says its a gas truck)
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I will give you $5 for it. I don't need no glow plugs down here in the south.
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I just cancelled Lubrico warranty. There is a window of time you can do that and get a refund. By fluke today was the last day.

Spoke to the dealer I bought the truck from. They are "planning" to refund me.... Almost seems to easy so far.
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