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Old 02-18-2009, 10:13 PM   #21
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Hate to say it Pat, but Yamaha didn't need the money and their building engines for Ford did not keep them alive. In fact, during that time they were acquiring other companies and building another assembly plant here in GA.
You sure? I've heard that story from a few different people.
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I like the styling and the performance, but the pricepoint is still way off. Ford has been having problems with that lately, e.g. the Flex seems like a nice ute, but the price is batshit crazy.
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Yep. I'm one of the Materials Controllers for the assembly plant here.
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:26 PM   #24
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Ah. Well, sounds like the story got twisted a bit. You might know this, but... Did they put that same yamaha V6 in a ford truck back in the mid to late 90's? I've heard they did, but never seen one.
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no, they did not.

there have been some SHO ranger conversions done though.
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The word I got from a Ford Master Mechanic in the early-90s was the Yamaha V-6 was built more like a motorcycle engine than an automobile engine. Actual redline was above 10-grand, but electronically limited in the 7K range to prevent cavitation of the water pump and burning up the alternator. (Could be fact, could be fiction, but it is within the realm of possibilities...)

These engines respond well to FI, with both S/C, turbo and TT kits available on the aftermarket.

Using a bellhousing from a Ford Aerostar, you can mate an SHO engine to a Borg-Warner T5 tranny. (Making for an interesting potential TT V-6 Monster Miata...)

Road and Track keeps a charts of costs and performance data in the back of every issue. The month they first tested the SHO I noticed the SHO's numbers *matched* those of the IROC-Z. It's easy to imagine the Ford Engineers did that on purpose...

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i have been around SHOs for awhile, love them and i can't wait to see the new one.

but all of your guys "SHO history" is just flat out wrong. the motor wont rev like a motorcycle, they were not "de-tuned" or any other magic you guys are talking about. but..... i have seen WELL north of 400whp on a stock internal motor.
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Old 02-18-2009, 11:59 PM   #29
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hooray for performance based business commuter cars.
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2008 Taurus AWD 3.5L curb weight 3,930 lbs.
Yes, add turbos and all of the high-line luxury goodies to that and see if you can hit 4,200 lbs.

I'm sure it will be spry.
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Put myself through college working in an auto parts store (and a liquor store), and I remember SHO plug wire sets were $155.
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Hate to say it Pat, but Yamaha didn't need the money and their building engines for Ford did not keep them alive. In fact, during that time they were acquiring other companies and building another assembly plant here in GA.
I believe they were also responsible for the motor in the Celica GTS no?

I read a while back that ford was planning on replacing their 500's with Taurus' again.
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I believe they were also responsible for the motor in the Celica GTS no?

I read a while back that ford was planning on replacing their 500's with Taurus' again.
the 3SGE and 3SGTE motor, yes.

that was the 2.0L in the mr2 and alltrac (turbo and n/a)

I had an alltrac and on the back a "powered by yamaha" sticker with the 3 tuning forks.
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Yes. Yamaha actually developed the Toyota 2000GT (which shows our long partnership with Toyota) and was a Toyota partner in the design of most Type G heads. Most engines, including the 3SGE/3SGTE, the Previa specific 2TZFE/Z, and the 2ZZGE (GTS, Elise, Exige) were designed and cast by us. And we supply most of the components for the 4AGE and 2JZGE heads. We also make the 4.4L V8 engine for the '05+ Volvo XC90s.

bryantaylor is correct for the most part, like any engine, they were not able to live up to their full-potential in stock trim. No crazy redlines, etc. though. But anything Yamaha builds loves boost. It's why we're supercharging a whole line of WaveRunners now, they're insanely fast. Actually, they're HKS S/C'd 1.8L engines, could fit in a Miata. lol
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Pat, to answer your truck question, yes Ford actually did, but I think it only stayed in the "project truck" category. Spring 1990 issue of MiniTruckin': http://rockledge.home.comcast.net/~r.../SHORanger.pdf
Other than that, therieldeal is right, plenty of SHO engine/T5 tranny swaps into the Rangers.

Oh, and just to kill a myth, SHO did not originally stand for Super High Output, it became that, but it was derived from the engine's code name: Shogun. Ford was trying to keep the fact that they were using a Japanese-built engine in their cars a secret, but that was apparently quickly leaked. Also, you'll hear some arguments that the blocks were built by Ford and only the heads were Yamaha produced. This is also false. Yamaha copied the block design, but built the whole assembly in Japan.

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the shogun cas were awesome, but REALLY hacked up
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Talking about the Festivas?
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yes sir. there were a handfull actually made. a guy on SHOforum posted pics of a real one, and it looked like something i built in the driveway.
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lol Yep. But they put down some impressive numbers.

Jay Leno's with nitrous:

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We need more lite weight sports cars, not overweight pigs.

That's not the point of the Taurus though. It should be a nicely balanced affordable performance sedan if done right.

Light is getting nearly impossible to do now. How do you build a small lightweight car when a car has to have 42 air bags, integrated baby seats, electronic nannies controlling every movement and be able to hit a brick wall at 100mph and walk away.
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That's not the point of the Taurus though. It should be a nicely balanced affordable performance sedan if done right.

Light is getting nearly impossible to do now. How do you build a small lightweight car when a car has to have 42 air bags, integrated baby seats, electronic nannies controlling every movement and be able to hit a brick wall at 100mph and walk away.
my my my aren't we as a society becoming shittier drivers

love all this Yamaha info btw, ever since they have powered my DVD and surround sound system for the past 7 years I have been hooked
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