Porsche 944? - Miata Turbo Forum - Boost cars, acquire cats.

Welcome to Miataturbo.net   Members
 


Insert BS here A place to discuss anything you want

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-22-2007, 11:41 AM   #1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (14)
 
brgracer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Ambler, PA
Posts: 1,275
Total Cats: 1
Default Porsche 944?

Anyone ever own one? Thoughts?

I know it's not the best car out there, but yet another growing popular spec/cup racing car that has a "reasonable" entry price. Been seeing more of them pop up for sale locally and itching for another project car. I know you need to have a well documented vehicle, especially for the belts b/c the interference engine. I'd imagine maintainence is not fun, but I've also heard that they are really fun to drive even in the (gasp...blasphemy) non-turbo versions.
brgracer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 11:51 AM   #2
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 2,900
Total Cats: 0
Default

a first gen RX7 is cheaper and probably more reliable. A few of my friends have owned 944s and not a one of them has kept the car more than a year because they kept breaking down.

"The most expensive Porsches are the ones you can afford"
Arkmage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 12:04 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,450
Total Cats: -1
Default

Helped work on a friend-of-a-friend's...wasn't all that much fun to work on; lot's stuff crammed under the hood of the turbo model.
bripab007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 12:06 PM   #4
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tampa
Posts: 780
Total Cats: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by brgracer View Post
Anyone ever own one? Thoughts?

I know it's not the best car out there, but yet another growing popular spec/cup racing car that has a "reasonable" entry price. Been seeing more of them pop up for sale locally and itching for another project car. I know you need to have a well documented vehicle, especially for the belts b/c the interference engine. I'd imagine maintainence is not fun, but I've also heard that they are really fun to drive even in the (gasp...blasphemy) non-turbo versions.

I had an 83 944. It was a great car.

The 944's dominated the Firehawk racing series back in the 80's. They raced the likes of the Corvettes and what not. The 83-85 were the same, the interior changed in 85.5, the 952 was introduced in 86. The 944S in 87 and the S2 in 90 I think. The 952S was the baddest of the bad in 88 and 89, 89 being the most powerful. 247hp from the factory.

50/50 balance, torque tube, rear mounted tranny. 2.5L 4 cyl, balance shafts to quell vibration. A little slow off the line but are very quick once they are going.

Maintenance is key. The early 944's had the battery near the windshield cowl on the passenger side. The are can be rusted. These areas are known to leak when it rains, the problem being that the DME(computer) sits right under the that area.

The motor is an interference motor, so cam belt changes are mandatory every 30k, with adjustment at 15k. Look to spend about 600-800 to get it done. Not for the faint of heart either if you are thinking DIY.

There is an external oil cooler mounted to the engine. Basically water and oil flow through this thing. When the seals fail the oil and water mix. This is evidenced by oil in the coolant resivoir. If you see oil in the resivoir, the car is fine, it needs to get the oil cooler seals fixed and the motor needs to be flushed, it is not a blown head gasket or cracked journals. it is always a good idea to replace the oil cooler seals when doing the cam and balance shaft belts. Again, not for the faint of heart.

The left rear Axle is prone to failure do to the exhaust being right beside it. But, the axles can be replaced in about 20 minutes by removing 12 hex head bolts, 6 on either end, and swapping the complete axle.

Try to find a 85.5 and up for a street car. The A/C blows a lot better. The 83-85 were more spartan.

Lastly, the 944 is NOT a VW. That was the 924. The motor is a Audi design and a Porsche build, it is basically 1/2 of the 928 motor. You can tell that bay the way the motor slants toward the passenger side of the car.

Remember the cars were discontinued in 1992. So replacing parts may be a thing you will always be doing, brittle and so forth.

Check out this website for more info.

http://www.roadfly.com/porsche/forums/
96rdstr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 12:08 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
LOLA - 92's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: SWAMPS OF FLORIDA !!!
Posts: 1,161
Total Cats: 0
Default

I always liked these 928's
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1983-...QQcmdZViewItem

You just need to pull the engine whenever you need to work on it :gay:
LOLA - 92 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 02:32 PM   #6
Boost Czar
iTrader: (61)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 72,900
Total Cats: 1,792
Default

I've always liked the 944, a few guys I know bought a Spec model for a HDPE car, then to race later down the road.

I'd still rather compete in the Spec e30 class.
Braineack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 02:53 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Knoxville
Posts: 1,168
Total Cats: 0
Default

they're pretty cool cars, but a step down from a miata in every way.
Al Hounos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 03:02 PM   #8
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tampa
Posts: 780
Total Cats: 0
Default

I can personally tell you that the cars are very good and reliable cars when they are taken care of. I bought mine from my wife's friend's father, who had the car since it was new. He had all the maint done on schedule, and he drove the car everyday. Basically I paid 2600 for it and drove it until I wrecked it. The car had 307,000 original miles on it when I sold it, and the engine had never been opened up. Even after the accident, the only issue is that it ran rich. I sold the car to the PCA Club Champion up in Atlanta. He was going to fix the front end and race the car. I bought the Miata after I wrecked the Porsche.


PS

I you look behind the carpet in the hatch area, between the two tail lights, there should be a sticker there with a series of numbers. Those numbers represent the options that were originally put on the car. For instance my 83 had no PS, but had the sport suspension and Konis instead of the Boge, The 7" and 8" Black and Polished Fuchs instead of the 7" standard Cookie Cutters, LSD, Removeable roof panel, all Power and sport leather seats. just thought I would throw that out there in case you were looking for one and wanted to know how is was spec'd in original form.
96rdstr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 03:03 PM   #9
Elite Member
 
Philip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,270
Total Cats: -4
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LOLA - 92 View Post
I always liked these 928's
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1983-...QQcmdZViewItem

You just need to pull the engine whenever you need to work on it :gay:
928 is one of my all time favorites.
Philip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 03:45 PM   #10
Boost Czar
iTrader: (61)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 72,900
Total Cats: 1,792
Default

I've always been found of both that and the 968.
Braineack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 03:56 PM   #11
Elite Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Atlanta93LE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Marietta, GA
Posts: 2,198
Total Cats: 1
Default

914 ftw (ugly but fun)
Atlanta93LE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 04:12 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,450
Total Cats: -1
Default

Better still, the 914-6, FTW.
bripab007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 04:47 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Round Pond, ME
Posts: 711
Total Cats: 18
Default

One of my co-workers had a 944, don't remember what year. It was dead reliable, he ran it up near 200,000 miles and never had a mechanical problem - didn't even need to do the clutch. The only stuff that was ever a problem was the typical 15-20 year old car junk - gaskets, seals, hoses, etc. Parts prices can hurt if you need to get them from a dealer.
xturner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 04:49 PM   #14
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tampa
Posts: 780
Total Cats: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian View Post
Better still, the 914-6, FTW.
Dont forget the 968 CS(i think that was what it was called), which they only made a couple of prototypes like the 914/6. Turbocharged 3.0's from the 968and 944S2. The only visible difference was the NACA duct in the body work.
96rdstr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 04:58 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Round Pond, ME
Posts: 711
Total Cats: 18
Default

I understand from a friend in PCA that there are guys running 944's with LS1 conversions. Very fast.
xturner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2007, 11:20 PM   #16
Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 502
Total Cats: 0
Default

I had an 89 S2, picked it up dirt cheap. (2700 W/144,000 miles) It needed a new turbo and was all black with a red front right QP. (It had been recently wrecked/salvage title.) Great/fast/nice handling car, and comfy too. It was great and all until my electrical system caught fire, then I parted it out, and got my money back out of it. Really fun car though. The engine can take a good bit of boost without having to be built.
drewbroo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2007, 12:25 AM   #17
Elite Member
iTrader: (13)
 
cjernigan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 8,147
Total Cats: 6
Default

I've worked on a buddies 944 that he had for a year and a half. It broke down constantly. It was high mileage and the interference head is a bitch. The oil coolers are expensive when they fail(the cores go bad) and really everything is expensive. Miatas are cheap and with the right addons handle better. He sold the 944 and bought another miata after selling his old one to get the porsche.
The worlds greatest sportscar falls to pieces as it crosses the finishline.

On a positive note, i drove the heck out of that car and it was great. I love the engine when it's running top notch and it's kinda cool to know you're in a porsche. Even though the tranny is in the rear.
cjernigan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2007, 01:02 AM   #18
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: PA/DC
Posts: 468
Total Cats: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkmage View Post
a first gen RX7 is cheaper and probably more reliable. A few of my friends have owned 944s and not a one of them has kept the car more than a year because they kept breaking down.

"The most expensive Porsches are the ones you can afford"
WOW...my you took the words right out of my mouth! :gay:

FC rx-7 FTW!
Snowsurfer03 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2007, 01:35 AM   #19
Elite Member
 
Philip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,270
Total Cats: -4
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowsurfer03 View Post
WOW...my you took the words right out of my mouth! :gay:

FC rx-7 FTW!
rotary FTL
Philip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2007, 01:36 AM   #20
Elite Member
 
Philip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,270
Total Cats: -4
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 96rdstr View Post
Dont forget the 968 CS(i think that was what it was called), which they only made a couple of prototypes like the 914/6. Turbocharged 3.0's from the 968and 944S2. The only visible difference was the NACA duct in the body work.
and the 930.

0-60 in 1989 in 4.9 seconds, considering the supra TT and mitsu 3000 VR4 could do it in like 5.2 or 5.3 that's damn quick for the day.
Philip is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
We bought a porch..and other new stuffs MicaCeli Insert BS here 2 09-11-2015 12:31 PM
New from Saitama, Japan nacci_tomoya Meet and Greet 47 10-10-2009 04:50 PM
Would you do this? v.2 KPLAFIN Insert BS here 11 07-07-2008 09:11 PM
SCCA: Walnut Ridge Nat. Tour/ Pro Solo report sbrian2 Insert BS here 5 04-30-2007 12:42 PM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:47 PM.