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Old 12-28-2011, 12:03 PM   #21
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I personally have no feeling regarding multilug wheels, didn't really notice until you pointed it out. Shouldn't these be right along the line of the K7? or any of the other cheap wheels that people use with no problems? I guess we'll have to wait and see. I really like them though, I might pick up a set once I do some more research on this +20 business.

Haha, I didn't know it was paint. That's awesome, but I'll still be compelled to wash them all the time so they stay shiny. Too much effort.
It's just something I, a wheel person, picks up on when looking at wheels. I'd rock the K7 any day though. I have yet to find out what "original" wheel the K7 even is. So far, it seems to be a pretty original looking wheel considering Rotas aftermarket wheels. It is nice to know they are a OE supplier though.

My wheels are matte grey, and I still keep them clean inside and out. Though any mesh design is a bitch to clean regardless of who makes them. I'll admit they are a good looking wheel, but there is part of me that can't justify putting them on my car.
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I don't like cleaning wheels so they all end up getting painted flat black. I've never understood overpriced wheels.
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I really, really like these wheels for my C5

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It's just something I, a wheel person, picks up on when looking at wheels. I'd rock the K7 any day though. I have yet to find out what "original" wheel the K7 even is. So far, it seems to be a pretty original looking wheel considering Rotas aftermarket wheels. It is nice to know they are a OE supplier though.

My wheels are matte grey, and I still keep them clean inside and out. Though any mesh design is a bitch to clean regardless of who makes them. I'll admit they are a good looking wheel, but there is part of me that can't justify putting them on my car.
That's understandable. I'm by no means a wheel person. I'll use whatever wheel fits my needs, as long as they aren't too shiny

I think the only wheels I'd never use would be the TR wheels. Those things are ******* hideous.
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didn't know these came in 8!
worth more than my car, no doubt
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I really, really like these wheels for my C5

SW. He's a cool dude but the Austin/Boost Logic crew did not know what they were getting into earlier this year when TXMC crashed the party at TXMC.
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I really, really like these wheels for my C5
They'll always look better on that Ferrari....
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1.) The K7 is a knockoff Wedssport SA-90

2.) Shiney wheels are light years easier to keep clean than white wheels. My old room mate had a set of white wheels on his daily, and he had to wipe them down EVERY morning or they looked like they had never been washed. I laughed at him every day.

3.) The TR Motorsports wheels are ugly, but they are their own designs, so I don't consider them a knockoff brand at all. Just like I didn't consider XXR to be a knockoff brand until they came out with these fake *** CCWs.

4.) Trap house joke is likely a joke.



5.) Fake parts are the bane of the import world, and fake parts pushers should be boycotted at all cost. If you don't want to buy a $2000 set of Volks, that's your choice (I certainly wouldn't/ couldn't), but when you could buy a set of Kosei K1s or 6ULs for only a little more than you'd have in a set of shitty knockoffs, it's beyond silly to do so. When you support the fake parts companies, you're taking money out of the pockets of the people who are actually capable of designing, testing and engineering new parts. Just like Hotshot Headers, they will eventually go out of business because it was so much cheaper to buy the Chinesium knockoffs that were so close to the originals they would fit on Hotshot's welding jigs. Then, once they're out of business, the Chinesium knockoff houses won't be able to do any real design work of their own, and the market will completely lose the niche that (insert legit parts company here) used to fill. It wouldn't be that great of a loss to the community if we lost one wheel manufacturer, but what if we lost Rays, Work and Enkei one after the other? Half of the manufacturing capability in the industry would disappear over night, and the cost of legit wheels would skyrocket.

There are real and tangible consequences to this, not just some faceless people on the internet trying to justify having bought expensive parts. Without the real parts companies, there is no tuning industry as we know it, and unless you're willing to sack up and spend a little more money on legit parts instead of rinky dink knockoff junk, eventually there won't be real parts companies.
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Explain to me then, why are those wheels so expensive? How much profit are they making on those wheels? I think the 6UL is the only "real" wheel I would buy.
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Ahh the SA90. I saw them but Rota definitely put a good bit of lip on the K7 that was never available on the sa90s, so some props to Rota for taking the design a bit further.
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Nope, the Rotas are pretty much just a knockoff.
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Explain to me then, why are those wheels so expensive? How much profit are they making on those wheels? I think the 6UL is the only "real" wheel I would buy.

-Forged

-11.5 lbs (1.1lbs lighter than the Miata standard 6UL)

-Total redesign of an existing wheel for less weight, but MORE strength/ stiffness/ impact resistance

-One of five sets in the world (meaning you're paying for exclusivity, but more importantly it costs a fortune to custom make a short run wheel like this)


Call Emilio and ask him to make you a 5 set run of a custom size/ offset/ face 6UL and see what he says. If he doesn't laugh in your face, I bet you'll pay most of what these cost for them, and he won't be able to spend the time on them, even at that price, that it would take to safely engineer and test them to take a full pound out of them.


This is by no means an attack on 949 or Emilio, merely using him as an example. I've owned 6ULs and bought from 949 in the past, and would happily do so again.
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Why make a 5 set run of something that had so much time and research put into it? Why be so exclusive? How is that helping anything? Why don't they make cheaper wheels that are maybe not so amazing so we can support the big companies that do all the design and research? I'd be happy to buy from them if they had something in my price range. I don't need 11.5lbs. I don't race my miata. I would however like a decent set of wheels. And I will buy from whomever can supply me with them.

No company will ever automatically get my business with the mindset of "we must buy from them because if we don't they will go out of business". That isn't business then. I buy from a company for a few reasons. Customer service, good product, good price, supporting the community. There might be more but that is what comes to mind.
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They obviously didn't think there was enough money in a 4x100 15x8 mid offset wheel to warrant a full run. It's a pretty well covered market.

Like I said before, I wouldn't buy a $2000 set of wheels either. I also wouldn't buy a $400 set of knockoffs when you can buy 15x8 +32 Kosei K1s $149/wheel new.
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How do you (vehicular) feel about knock offs that are of better quality than the originals? Such as Touge Run and their front lips.
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As a person who owns a business creating one of a kind and very limited run series metal objects, I can say that despite the fact that there are hundreds of knockoff jewelry manufacturers in Asia there still remains a client base willing to spend more on something "original", so I don't think the idea that the originator will go out of business is much of a worry. What the original design firms bring to the market is a (hopefully) exceptionally well designed/engineered item that holds more value than any knockoff and is still sought after for that reason. Anything made as a knockoff WILL compromise something to get the same look...quality, exclusivity, design purity, etc. Would I be pissed off if I saw one of my designs in an ad, or on the finger of a person for whom I didn't make it? Sure, but that's just how any market works. That just means I need to keep innovating, which will in turn keep bringing me more clients.

As a jeweler, if someone comes to me and says "Hey can you make this ring I saw in the magazine?" my response is 99% of the time "No, but I can design something for you that has that same feeling and is uniquely yours". But, in light of there being so ******* many pieces of jewelry out there, I will recreate a piece if it has reached the threshold of "common", so to speak. If I can look in a dozen magazines, catalogs, and trade publications and see virtually the same design in ads in all of them, then I have no problem with that. And on the same idea, I think that there is such a huge variety of designs within the aftermarket wheel market that many designs have reached that threshold, not the least of which is anything that falls into the "mesh" group, which began waaay back with wire wheels.

I give CCW huge props for making great wheels, but at a pricepoint I'll never justify and on a design basis that's frankly been done over and over and over again. So I would absolutely run the cheap ones.
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when you can buy 15x8 +32 Kosei K1s $149/wheel new.
Wut. WHERE?

I was under the impression they weren't making those anymore.
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They look killer on CWs 550 but they look just as pimp on some C5s. Loose some lip though.

Way better lookin than those knock offs you got pusha.

Although some Kinesis

or some ccw 505s

or some classics are pretty pimp too.


Replaced barrels for a guy on a set of 18x10/12 CCW classic (track version) for his c5 z06 they were so sexy and light. his 18x12 was probably half the weight of my 17x9.
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1.) The K7 is a knockoff Wedssport SA-90

2.) Shiney wheels are light years easier to keep clean than white wheels. My old room mate had a set of white wheels on his daily, and he had to wipe them down EVERY morning or they looked like they had never been washed. I laughed at him every day.

3.) The TR Motorsports wheels are ugly, but they are their own designs, so I don't consider them a knockoff brand at all. Just like I didn't consider XXR to be a knockoff brand until they came out with these fake *** CCWs.

4.) Trap house joke is likely a joke.



5.) Fake parts are the bane of the import world, and fake parts pushers should be boycotted at all cost. If you don't want to buy a $2000 set of Volks, that's your choice (I certainly wouldn't/ couldn't), but when you could buy a set of Kosei K1s or 6ULs for only a little more than you'd have in a set of shitty knockoffs, it's beyond silly to do so. When you support the fake parts companies, you're taking money out of the pockets of the people who are actually capable of designing, testing and engineering new parts. Just like Hotshot Headers, they will eventually go out of business because it was so much cheaper to buy the Chinesium knockoffs that were so close to the originals they would fit on Hotshot's welding jigs. Then, once they're out of business, the Chinesium knockoff houses won't be able to do any real design work of their own, and the market will completely lose the niche that (insert legit parts company here) used to fill. It wouldn't be that great of a loss to the community if we lost one wheel manufacturer, but what if we lost Rays, Work and Enkei one after the other? Half of the manufacturing capability in the industry would disappear over night, and the cost of legit wheels would skyrocket.

There are real and tangible consequences to this, not just some faceless people on the internet trying to justify having bought expensive parts. Without the real parts companies, there is no tuning industry as we know it, and unless you're willing to sack up and spend a little more money on legit parts instead of rinky dink knockoff junk, eventually there won't be real parts companies.
Posts like these make me want to buy more knockoff parts and track the crap out of them. While the people buying these parts sit in a parking lot playing with each others *****.
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Work isnt loosing alot of business to rota. Every industry is like this. Still have yet to see harbor freight run snap on out of business.

And how come work cant come out with a budget friendly line, if they are worried about loosing business to a cheaper manufacturer, they easil;y have the resources to manufacturer cheaper wheels, rebrand them or even sell them under the same brand. Companies do this all the time, even wheel companies. Pretty common for the high end guys, make a speciic wheel with few options for a specific fitment and drop price. Or go way cheap to cast wheels and market them under a different brand. If Maxxim is still around they are an example.

A good company shouldn't loose sleep over cheap knockoffs, if thats all they are, now if someone has started making the same part, the same quality, etc etc for less, well your boned, and its your fault. Have to differentiate yourself to show the reason for higher price or drop your price. Same in every industry.
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