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Old 03-26-2012, 12:23 AM   #61
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also, it cam surges like a **** with a/c on
Like Opti said, you need tuned. I have a 226/236 110LSA cam in a 5.3 that has ZERO issues with the AC on with my crappy home brew tune.
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Like Opti said, you need tuned. I have a 226/236 110LSA cam in a 5.3 that has ZERO issues with the AC on with my crappy home brew tune.
One would think with all those "fat stacks" he makes while sitting poolside sipping an Appletini, he would get his whip tuned properly.
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So, wait, you justify buying shitbag ching chang wheels by the fact that one piece of bodywork is more durable than the one that it's a fake of? You realize that there's a gaping hole in causality here, right?

And Garage Vary has hardly dug their own grave. 1.) I beat the crap out of my GV lip, and it's still alive 2 owners, 4 years, and countless cones and street miles later, and 2.) for an extra ~$50, you can still buy a real GV lip if you have principles.


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I justify buying fake wheels because I prefer to spend the money in other areas of importance. If the wheels in question were reasonably priced (like the set and half of 6UL's sitting here), it'd be a different story.

I hope you never step foot in Walmart, Kmart, Sears, Target, or Best Buy... They all have knock offs.

For the record- when someone asks why I bought a knock of GV lip when looking at the car, I walk up and step on it, watch it hit the ground, then flip back up and into shape like nothing happened.
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So, wait, you justify buying shitbag ching chang wheels by the fact that one piece of bodywork is more durable than the one that it's a fake of? You realize that there's a gaping hole in causality here, right?
You are not going to convince anyone on here to not buy cheap, functional wheels. Face it, you lose. Get over it. Crybaby.

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And Garage Vary has hardly dug their own grave. 1.) I beat the crap out of my GV lip, and it's still alive 2 owners, 4 years, and countless cones and street miles later, and 2.) for an extra ~$50, you can still buy a real GV lip if you have principles.
So because you have one lip that hasn't shattered while there are literally 1000's of people who complain about theirs assploding means we should NOT buy the cheaper, better built option?

"You realize that there's a gaping hole in causality here, right?"



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Only when I fukc dude's in the a$$ over my piles of fake car parts.

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I justify buying fake wheels because I prefer to spend the money in other areas of importance. If the wheels in question were reasonably priced (like the set and half of 6UL's sitting here), it'd be a different story.

I hope you never step foot in Walmart, Kmart, Sears, Target, or Best Buy... They all have knock offs.

For the record- when someone asks why I bought a knock of GV lip when looking at the car, I walk up and step on it, watch it hit the ground, then flip back up and into shape like nothing happened.
Props for you, sir.
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I justify buying fake wheels because I prefer to spend the money in other areas of importance. If the wheels in question were reasonably priced (like the set and half of 6UL's sitting here), it'd be a different story.

I've said several times in here that I wouldn't ever buy a $2500 set of Volks either. But when the street price on janky Chinesium is within 10% of street price for legit wheels, buying them is the utmost foolishness.


The point stands that buying fake wheels hurts the people who are capable of actually designing and engineering good ones.
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You are not going to convince anyone on here to not buy cheap, functional wheels. Face it, you lose. Get over it. Crybaby
You are SO mad about this...
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I've said several times in here that I wouldn't ever buy a $2500 set of Volks either. But when the street price on janky Chinesium is within 10% of street price for legit wheels, buying them is the utmost foolishness.


The point stands that buying fake wheels hurts the people who are capable of actually designing and engineering good ones.
And that's why I have 6UL's...

If they made a street tire to fit the 15*10's, you'd never see my car with anything but
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If they made a street tire to fit the 15*10's, you'd never see my car with anything but

Double high fives on that. I hope somebody gets wise soon.
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Can you name one company that's gone out of business due to knockoff wheels? Like I said two pages ago, ---- is gonna get copied no matter what business you are in, and those who innovate, offer a product that stands out, is properly engineered and stays ahead of the trends will win out.

Within 10%, ---- yeah I'll buy the real deal. But half price? No way, I'll wait for some reviews on quality and take my chances. I even offer mass produced "generic" stuff, with full disclosure, to my customers if it'll save them some money. I've got no problem with that if they don't.
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It really bothers me when people say "rims" but they're actually wheels. That is all.
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Can you name one company that's gone out of business due to knockoff wheels? Like I said two pages ago, ---- is gonna get copied no matter what business you are in, and those who innovate, offer a product that stands out, is properly engineered and stays ahead of the trends will win out.

Within 10%, ---- yeah I'll buy the real deal. But half price? No way, I'll wait for some reviews on quality and take my chances. I even offer mass produced "generic" stuff, with full disclosure, to my customers if it'll save them some money. I've got no problem with that if they don't.
Hotshot Headers is a perfect example. They made niche market exhaust components for unusual applications. It cost them an absolute fortune to design, prototype, develop, jig and produce a header for, say, a B13 Sentra SE-R with an SR20VE. It cost Ching Chang's Chinesium the price of a header and one guy's pay for a day making a jig to copy it. Hotshot went under a few years ago.
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I talked to Blake at XXR earlier this week - he said they have over 5,000 of these wheels on pre-order and not to expect anything to ship out until at least May.
Looks like it's going to be a while. But ooooohhhh so worth it.
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Hotshot Headers is a perfect example. They made niche market exhaust components for unusual applications. It cost them an absolute fortune to design, prototype, develop, jig and produce a header for, say, a B13 Sentra SE-R with an SR20VE. It cost Ching Chang's Chinesium the price of a header and one guy's pay for a day making a jig to copy it. Hotshot went under a few years ago.


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as a business Hot Shot headers was super shady, closed up shop and ran with customer's parts and stuff...
And that's just from the first page of results.

I'm not saying knockoff stuff is not the result of theft...it is. But if ANY company in business these days does not think it's going to happen, and banks on that, then yeah they'll probably go under. Build something great, make money, then build something else great and make money on that while China, etc, is busy copying your previous idea. Repeat.
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It's impossible to make your development costs back when there is a knockoff available on ebay 3 weeks after you release a part. You have to be able to see this. The fake houses are so quick to knock off parts that I saw fake HKS Gen 3 BOVs in person before I saw a real one.

What's the motivation to innovate when you know you can't keep up with the Chicoms?
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When it comes to wheels your talking about two different markets between knock offs and baller wheels. People arent cross shopping them. Rota isnt stealing money from volk, because the people that will drop the coin for the volks arent even looking at rotas.

On the other hand take me, as long as I have 1 dollar of debt, I will never spend the money on pimp wheels, I like them cause they are pretty, but I sure as ---- wouldn't buy them. Would I buy a couple hundred dollar set of knock offs...oh YEAH!
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