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Old 12-25-2006, 10:24 PM   #1
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And in comes the FM band wagon. So far sam and i seem to be the only ones who noticed. comeon you know you have an opinion let them have it.
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Old 12-25-2006, 10:28 PM   #2
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what is it with the people at m.net not being able to accept tried and true DIY knoledge.. As if doing it yourself means you dont know ****, and cant have good information to share... quite on the contrary
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i dont even hardly look at that forum anymore... and its sad, because that is a big part of the reason i got a miata in the first place, from all of the information i read there.
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I just wish there was more DIY options for us supercharged folks.
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braket fab is kinda rough on us but yeah i know what you mean a DIY SC option would be killer.
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why not DIY SC from like a old ford t-bird, or one of the roots types that the 3.8 engines chevy put out for a long time in the oldsmobiles.. cant do anything with any of them?
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what is it with the people at m.net not being able to accept tried and true DIY knoledge.. As if doing it yourself means you dont know ****, and cant have good information to share... quite on the contrary
The problem with people on miata.net is that 90% of them think they are car guys but in reality they are not.So when it comes to DIY type turbo kits or any other forms of modifications that are not store bought,they tend to turn their nose's up like a snob on people that have the ability that they don't posess.
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there is wanna of those supercharged t bird on craigslist in my area for 500 obo .
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I guess you guys are reading a different thread than I am. Ignoring the repsonses from the regulars here, only 1 dude said go with the fm kit. And he's a newb. But the newb does have a point: The FM kit is easy, proven, and warrantied. DIY will save money (if you don't make any big mistakes along the way) but takes a lot more effort and research. Some people have fun doing the build, others would rather write a check. Neither way is right or wrong.
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i guess i was thinking of a lot of stuff on m.net in general.. not jsut this thread
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there is wanna of those supercharged t bird on craigslist in my area for 500 obo .
When I bought my MP62, I had basic theoretical knowledge of FI. I was not ready to do any type of DIY SC or turbo.

If I had to do things over, I have a lot more knowledge, but very little time. But, I still find it hard to think an AA IC (for example) is worth $1100+ especially when it's put together from a company that can't find their *** with both hands and a GPS - BRP/SOT.

Too bad Tom @ Fast Forward SC is not into releasing an AA IC of his own.
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His "e-cool" additional injection is very promising imho. Too bad the powers that be are more interested in sellling high dollar standalones than in developing low cost additional injector controllers. An AIC could be as simple as fitting a bipes with an injector driver.

2nd fuel rail ftw.
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His "e-cool" additional injection is very promising imho. Too bad the powers that be are more interested in sellling high dollar standalones than in developing low cost additional injector controllers. An AIC could be as simple as fitting a bipes with an injector driver.

2nd fuel rail ftw.
His e-Cool did help me to get to 202HP using 91 octane gas with no IC on a 112F day. This was before I got the WI. *I have the dyno graph if anyone wants to see it. Unlike other "vendors", Tom documents everything and shows it publicly.

That was also with a 110mm pulley. I am now running a 115mm pulley and thinking of a 120mm during the cool season.

Also, I am using the Split Second AIC to control the 5th injector and the WI nozzle on two separate "channels".
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That's awesome. Please post the graph!

I'm assuming that you're happy with the split second then? I would love to run one, but it seems to have scared everyone else I know who's used it.
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RunFile_036.drf: 112.18F 28.95 in-Hg Humidity: 5 % SAE: 1.06 Average Gear Ratio: 65.28
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That's awesome. Please post the graph!

I'm assuming that you're happy with the split second then? I would love to run one, but it seems to have scared everyone else I know who's used it.
I wonder why people are scared of it? It seems pretty straight forward to me. As I said, I'm also running my WI with it.
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Thanks for sharing. Love the tq "curve" and the linearity of the power delivery. Looks like your car is very well sorted out, and I'm sure a blast to drive. I would trade my higher tq peak for your flat tq 8 days a week.

The SS AIC looks straightforward to me, too. I've heard from some that they are not happy with the reliablity of the SS box, citing that sometimes it would not decide to inject. Looks like the AIC is working wonderfully in your car. I've been a fan of the 2nd fuel rail concept for a while--perhaps it's time to put the money where the mouth is.


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I wonder why people are scared of it? It seems pretty straight forward to me. As I said, I'm also running my WI with it.
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I have toyed with getting a 5th injector but not quit ready to make the leap yet. That guy only got 190 hp gtech his tunning seems off with a m90 he shuold be better than that.

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