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Old 11-01-2007, 07:50 AM   #21
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no points on your license for that then right? when i got a $70 one i got 2 points to boot

and i thought the hash marks were for planes to measure your speed
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******* bullshit how could they prove that you where driving the car mark a picture is only worth the **** they smear on it tell them to shove it up there *** and find real proof Fight that **** man GL
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:13 AM   #23
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It's not about them proving anything- it's about the accused proving innocence. Nobody gets points, just pay fines. Easy revenue and not worth most people's time to spend a half day fighting a $50 fine.

I got burned with a stop light cam. Second car turning left, guy in front stops for a pedestrian crossing during a don't walk. I get stuck in the middle of the intersection when the light turns red, while the camera takes the pic. Bend over and say "cheese".
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It's pretty gay, I've gotten a ticket in DC for that ****. They put it right after a semi confusing exit ramp, where you can't actually see the sign for the exit until you are right up on it. (not sure street name but someone here should know). Anyway, there was a car that came out of that exit lane to mine, i had to speed up to avoid getting hit, and voila! I get 100 dollar ticket in the mail...thank you DC.
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This is why I don't go into DC. along with a huge list of various other complaints.
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Does innocent until proven guilty mean nothing to you guys WTF. Bend over nothing principles and rights are worth more than money. We should not let ourselves get raped by the system like that. the ticket is not sent to the car it is sent to who owns the registration so if say you take your moms car out and get snapped doing over the limit she will get the ticket in those situations or if someone steals your car or you leave it at a parking garage or valet lot and the ************* go do a bunch of other **** in your car then gues who gets fucked thats right you. The rights we give up so easily today can become alot bigger in a hurry tommorow.
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you're on government property. and you were proven guilty, the camera took your picture.
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It's an issue of time more than anything to fight that. It's not practical to spend the three or so hours fighting the charge. But in my case, it's pretty black and white - I was in the intersection when the light turned red. If anybody screwed me, it was the dumbfuck in front who yeilded to jay walking pedestrian.
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hahah
speaking of, someone beside me this morning stopped on a 40mph road for someone standing waiting to cross at a crosswalk, dumbass got rear-ended bad.
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I haven't heard of speed cameras getting installed where I live. They are going big on the stop-light cameras though. A few months ago, Arlington didn't have any, and now they have 6 that I know of.

Stoplight cameras aren't supposed to take pics of cars that are stuck in the intersection, or making rights, etc. They use a sensor in the road or a radar/laser gun to determine the car's speed immediately before the yellow turns to red, and uses that to determine if you can slow in time. If the car is determined to not be able to stop in time, it takes a pic of the intersection.

My wife got a redlight ticket in the mail, and it clearly showed in the pic that she had already entered the intersection before the light turned red. If your vehicle has crossed the stop line, then you are "in the intersection", and if you did this before the light turned red, you legally made the light. You can be ticketed for "running a yellow" if a cop sees you accelerate to make the light. This doesn't require you to be speeding. The only reason we had to pay the ticket was cause the city decided to mail it out late (post mark was 3 days before the ticket was due) and we didn't get it till the final day, and it was already 7pm before we get home and get the mail. So we called and they said, "Sorry, we can't set a court date cause you already past the date required to pay or dispute the citation."
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In GA we have laws to protect Jaywalkers from folks like us making their hood-rich style pimp limp real.
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stop light cameras were banned in Greensboro NC after too many people complained about wrecking due to the flashes, and now they just sit there and are not being used, its been so for the last three or so years...we win!!!
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Does innocent until proven guilty mean nothing to you guys WTF. Bend over nothing principles and rights are worth more than money. We should not let ourselves get raped by the system like that. the ticket is not sent to the car it is sent to who owns the registration so if say you take your moms car out and get snapped doing over the limit she will get the ticket in those situations or if someone steals your car or you leave it at a parking garage or valet lot and the ************* go do a bunch of other **** in your car then gues who gets fucked thats right you. The rights we give up so easily today can become alot bigger in a hurry tommorow.
I agree with you there. I try to fight them every step of the way. It's my money, if they want it, they can work for it, too.

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It's an issue of time more than anything to fight that. It's not practical to spend the three or so hours fighting the charge. But in my case, it's pretty black and white - I was in the intersection when the light turned red. If anybody screwed me, it was the dumbfuck in front who yeilded to jay walking pedestrian.
In the intersection when it turns red is not running a red light. Entering the intersection after red is running a red light. Read the traffic code some, they like to take advantage of the uneducated.
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stop light cameras were banned in Greensboro NC after too many people complained about wrecking due to the flashes, and now they just sit there and are not being used, its been so for the last three or so years...we win!!!
Last I heard, Texas was in the middle of a legal battle over the stop-light cameras. I am amazed the cities are still setting them up. They are suing cause it's not a "safety improvement", but just a money making technique for the cities, and therefore, must be voted on (like tax increases, etc).
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Well here's the kicker, and tells you why the cams get set up. Typically, the cameras are gifted to the municipality by its manufacturer under an agreement that for every ticket generated, the camera manufacturer receives a (very large) perentage of the collected revenue it generates. I have seen ratios of 75% to the manufacturer and 25% to the municipality pretty regularly. The government goes forward with the plan because the equipment costs them nothing, and all they need is a very small staff of people to handle signing the citations and mailing them out. BIG revenue generator. I got one of those red light tickets, it was like $80 I think. It came from the county. And to side-step any potential legal battles, it's not considered a real traffic (moving) violation; instead it's treated like a parking ticket and doesn't add points against your liscense.
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Last I heard, Texas was in the middle of a legal battle over the stop-light cameras. I am amazed the cities are still setting them up. They are suing cause it's not a "safety improvement", but just a money making technique for the cities, and therefore, must be voted on (like tax increases, etc).
the issue is with revenue. They don't know how to divide the money used on state and federal funded roads.

I don't mind the stoplight cams, but they remove the element of collision evasion. Speed laws suck because they're based on revenue, not safety. I refuse to believe that even with traffic load, the mechanical capabilities of modern cars are lower than capabilities of cars from the 80mph speed limit days. When traffic load goes up, speeds lower naturally, we don't need the lower limit. ( I banged a city engineer's daughter in highschool)
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:26 PM   #37
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I don't have a miata out here... but you knew that. I might go if my girl is not out here.

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I don't think they have speed/redlight cameras in Jersey but they do in NY and since I drive through Staten Island a few days a week now to see the girlfriend I installed free Redlight/Speed camera POIs on my TOMTOM last night http://www.gps-data-team.com/poi/united_states/safety/
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