View Poll Results: Do you have a permit and carry?
Yes I have a permit, Yes I carry.
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Those with carry permits... do you actually carry?
10-18-2011, 09:11 PM
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I do - now just the other day my wife freaked out b/c I poiinted to where the gun was... acted as like it would magically go off and started crying and all b/c she had my 2yr old up front playing.... It's a baby 1911 so has plenty of safeties, which is why I bought it - still not child-proof though. It's getting to the point where I'll have to lock it up in the console when I'm not in the truck.
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10-18-2011, 09:34 PM
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I do - now just the other day my wife freaked out b/c I poiinted to where the gun was... acted as like it would magically go off and started crying and all b/c she had my 2yr old up front playing.... It's a baby 1911 so has plenty of safeties, which is why I bought it - still not child-proof though. It's getting to the point where I'll have to lock it up in the console when I'm not in the truck.
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10-18-2011, 10:31 PM
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In other words, it looks like you need to re-read Massad Ayoobs commandments, paying particular attention to #3/5/10. If you are the kind of guy who starts **** with strangers in parking lots when not carrying a gun, you're just plain ******* dead as soon as you start **** with the wrong guy. Starting **** WHILE carrying leaves you open to be just as dead, but with the side benefit of going to jail for the rest of your life if you manage to kill the guy but can't prove it was righteous to a jury of your peers.
http://www.massadayoobgroup.com
Take his "MAG-40" class. Best $1,200 or so I have ever spent. (in that sum I include my cost for lodging, food, ammo, gas to get there)
If you go, I will trade my notes from the class with your completed notes. Take the two and follow his instructions. What you do leading up to, during, and following an armed violent encounter determines where you spend the next 20 (or more) years of your life.
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10-18-2011, 10:36 PM
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What has been posted on the internet never truly goes away. "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Our so called "Defender of life" has such a disregard for life he posted on the 18th of October 2012 'Safeties FTL they just make it harder for you to kill people.' I contend ladies and gentlemen, that it was not self defense, but rather a desire to shed blood to prove his manliness. After all, the defendant owns a Miata."
Watch what you post about guns online - everyone.
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http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob105.html
Watch what you post about guns online - everyone.
EDIT TO ADD:
About free speech
Free speech isn’t necessarily free. It can cost you. I like to look in now and then on this or that electronic gun forum. There’s a lot of good stuff there, but you need a REALLY good BS filter to sort the wheat from the chaff. In the past year I saw:
Last issue Dave Duffy also told you the story of Matt Bandy and some pretty scary stuff about computer security that you REALLY need to know. He and the experts whom he sources know a whole lot more about that than I, but I can add one thing to that discussion: I’m in my 34th year as a sworn police officer, my 19th as a certified “police prosecutor,” and I know for a fact that we DO have the technology to pull things out of your hard drive that you thought were deleted. We DO have the right to ask you, under penalty of perjury, whether you post on any Internet forum, and under what name, and we DO have the power to subpoena any posts via your IP from the Internet hosts, who under law have no choice but to “give you up.” Don’t let the seeming anonymity of the Internet delude you: when things get serious, you won’t be anonymous anymore.
An alternate reality is a lonely place. People who can’t tell the difference between “how they think things should be” and “how things are” have little credibility when push comes to shove, and they have a very bad history insofar as getting themselves and people they love in trouble. This column is about guns, but in the end, it’s about Life, and it’s about that cardinal Backwoods Home virtue, Common Sense.
Free speech isn’t necessarily free. It can cost you. I like to look in now and then on this or that electronic gun forum. There’s a lot of good stuff there, but you need a REALLY good BS filter to sort the wheat from the chaff. In the past year I saw:
- One young man who stridently insisted that he did in fact “have the right to shout ‘fire’ in a crowded theater,” because “free speech means I can say what I want.” Fortunately, many voices of reason invoked both common sense and the Supreme Court of the United States and told him, “Uh, actually…NO!”
- More than one whose answer to dealing with the aftermath of a self-defense shooting was “Shoot, Shovel, Shut up.” That is, dispose of the corpse and pretend nothing happened. There is no quicker way to turn a “clean shoot” into Manslaughter or even Premeditated Murder. Judges routinely allow the argument that alteration of evidence can be seen as an indication of prior planning of a crime.
- More than one who posted to the effect, “I don’t need a permit to carry a gun. The Second Amendment says I can carry a gun any time, anywhere. I don’t need no stinking permit.” Well, there’s a large body of caselaw that says otherwise. People who think that way will find their next argument being made in the prison showers: “No, Bubba! The Bill of Rights says you and your two 300-pound buddies can’t bend me over like this and make me an unwilling participant in sodomy! Nooo….!”
An alternate reality is a lonely place. People who can’t tell the difference between “how they think things should be” and “how things are” have little credibility when push comes to shove, and they have a very bad history insofar as getting themselves and people they love in trouble. This column is about guns, but in the end, it’s about Life, and it’s about that cardinal Backwoods Home virtue, Common Sense.
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10-18-2011, 10:47 PM
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x 1000.
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Take his "MAG-40" class. Best $1,200 or so I have ever spent. (in that sum I include my cost for lodging, food, ammo, gas to get there)
If you go, I will trade my notes from the class with your completed notes. Take the two and follow his instructions. What you do leading up to, during, and following an armed violent encounter determines where you spend the next 20 (or more) years of your life.
http://www.massadayoobgroup.com
Take his "MAG-40" class. Best $1,200 or so I have ever spent. (in that sum I include my cost for lodging, food, ammo, gas to get there)
If you go, I will trade my notes from the class with your completed notes. Take the two and follow his instructions. What you do leading up to, during, and following an armed violent encounter determines where you spend the next 20 (or more) years of your life.
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10-18-2011, 11:43 PM
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Carry class is after the honeymoon next month. Both prior mil cops so should be fine. Carried in New Mexico open. Never liked it, people seem to think the guy carrying is just waiting for **** to go down. That said I like 1911's but my buddies I carried with always got heckled for the hammer up thing. Love the gun but it's more attention than I like. Definatly looking into the class ^ tho for a more civilian approach.
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10-19-2011, 12:03 AM
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1911's were designed to be carried "cocked and locked". Not to mention that a hard impact on a lowered hammer on a loaded chamber can lead to a negligent discharge. Carrying without a round in the chamber assumes you will have time during an armed violent encounter to rack a round into the chamber. Essentially you are carrying an unloaded gun.
Btw, I live in Illinois so I can't carry in my home state but I carry whenever it is legal to do so. Basically, if have on pants I am armed. And I am working on the pants thing
Btw, I live in Illinois so I can't carry in my home state but I carry whenever it is legal to do so. Basically, if have on pants I am armed. And I am working on the pants thing
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10-19-2011, 12:51 AM
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I carry because of **** like this:
http://www.wfmz.com/news/Purse-snatc...z/-/index.html
If I'm going to stock up on groceries, and someone tries to take what's not theirs, they're gonna wind up riddled with bullet holes in a wal-mart parking lot.
I actually don't carry near my house, because everybody knows everybody. I only really carry if I go into densly populated areas where crime is known to be a problem.
http://www.wfmz.com/news/Purse-snatc...z/-/index.html
If I'm going to stock up on groceries, and someone tries to take what's not theirs, they're gonna wind up riddled with bullet holes in a wal-mart parking lot.
I actually don't carry near my house, because everybody knows everybody. I only really carry if I go into densly populated areas where crime is known to be a problem.
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10-19-2011, 03:22 AM
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I know the how/why of the 1911's. It's just the general populus don't and watch to many movies. Even my girl asked me about it the first time she saw a 1911 in open carry. Most hippies just see the hammer back and want to start some your not safe or looking for **** debate. Great gun. Just not in open carry. My 2¢. Resume normal threading.
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10-19-2011, 06:36 AM
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[...]This is not to say you should ever hesitate to draw, it's just to say that you'd better be 100% certain that it's time, and both the law and whatever God you pray to are on your side.
In fact, technology is a mother ******. I guarantee that if you're ever involved in a shooting and it goes before a grand-jury, they will find this thread guaranteed.
In fact, technology is a mother ******. I guarantee that if you're ever involved in a shooting and it goes before a grand-jury, they will find this thread guaranteed.
I would add that, if I were the type that carried, I would have the name and number of a firearms-oriented attorney programmed in to my cell phone and the business card of a criminal attorney in my wallet. I would also try to familiarize myself with what to say - and what not to say - should I ever be involved in a defensive shooting scenario. I believe Massad Ayoob has some good input on this.
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10-19-2011, 08:52 AM
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I would add that, if I were the type that carried, I would have the name and number of a firearms-oriented attorney programmed in to my cell phone and the business card of a criminal attorney in my wallet. I would also try to familiarize myself with what to say - and what not to say - should I ever be involved in a defensive shooting scenario. I believe Massad Ayoob has some good input on this.
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10-19-2011, 09:52 AM
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Maybe the suggestion is to just assert your right to silence until you can have someone locate a specialist?
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10-19-2011, 10:35 AM
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I would think it is absolutely better to have a firearms-oriented attorney available, but they might not be readily available in all towns. My thought process was that having an attorney with you that can just keep the cops from interrogating you (even if temporarily until you can secure a better one) is better than no attorney, but maybe that is not correct?
Maybe the suggestion is to just assert your right to silence until you can have someone locate a specialist?
Maybe the suggestion is to just assert your right to silence until you can have someone locate a specialist?
Then, when given your "one phone call" don't call an attorney. Matter of fact, don't call your attorney right after the encounter either. If there are witnesses, do your best to enlist them under your direction doing useful things. That places YOU in their mind as their leader and the victim. Send one to secure the scene. Send one to ensure the paramedics arrive and help the guy who has been shot. Send another out into the surrounding area looking for anyone who might have also been injured...
I will stop there. I want to help best I can, but there is some info in Mas's MAG-40 that while it can keep you out of jail, it could also keep a bad guy out of jail as well. The class can truly be the thing that keeps you from living the next 30 years of your life in jail.
One last thing if you are arrested (and you may have a jerk states attorney who hates gun owners). Don't call your attorney with your "one phone call". Have a couple "trusted others" that have the phone number of your attorney, a bail bondsman, and all three of Mas' three personal cell phone numbers. It would also be a nice idea to have some money in a bank account that you can use to pay the bail bondsman so you don't have to rely on your friends and family to raise the funds. It is much easier to handle the situation when you are outside of those metal bars.
Seriously, even if you can only go to the MAG-20 (classroom only portion) of his class, I highly recommend every person that carries goes. If you take his class and pass, he will be an expert (or if you follow his directions, a material)witness on your behalf at trial.
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