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Old 05-22-2007, 01:34 AM   #21
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Ya you'll like like a star blowing out your diff and puking out gear oil all over the 1/4
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Old 05-22-2007, 02:23 AM   #22
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Yeah...
that thing is toast one way or another...reschedule until after you get your rear in? Or have a chance of a rematch? Because if you blow it and loose your going to have to go home with your tail between your legs...

If you just loose, you can say...oh well..thats life.
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Old 05-22-2007, 02:26 AM   #23
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Make sure you film it!
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Old 05-22-2007, 02:31 AM   #24
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what are you specs?
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Old 05-22-2007, 04:12 AM   #25
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I think his car could run better than high 12's. a perfect run for him should be in the low 12's. and I don't quite get the thing about the torque curve, apparently you haven't seen mine.
Well, you see, it is all about torque and how long you can sustain torque into the RPM band. I think the 360 makes somewhere around 400hp at 8500RPM ... which means he has 247 ft lbs of torque at 8500RPM - and peaks torque at 4750RPM which means he has at least a good 4200-4750 RPM around the torque peak point in each gear.

Of course gearing matters and such .... but my point is that in any race, a high flat torque curve deep into the RPM range is a great thing to have and the Ferrari is built to have just that.
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haha you sound just like my friend. He wants to take down our friends C6 corvette after his plug in play MS gets dyno tuned
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Old 05-22-2007, 05:41 AM   #27
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Maybe agree to a roll on start....I would like to see the race without a blowup.
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Well, you see, it is all about torque and how long you can sustain torque into the RPM band. I think the 360 makes somewhere around 400hp at 8500RPM ... which means he has 247 ft lbs of torque at 8500RPM - and peaks torque at 4750RPM which means he has at least a good 4200-4750 RPM around the torque peak point in each gear.

Of course gearing matters and such .... but my point is that in any race, a high flat torque curve deep into the RPM range is a great thing to have and the Ferrari is built to have just that.
Lex look at his dyno chart or any dyno plot for a boosted miata. We make more torque by 3000 rpm than you would at your peak being NA. unlike hondas we carry high torque very well across the baord.. Ben i think if you are any kind of driver and the track is worth a **** 12.6 or so will be your average performance. If the stars align and all is right maybe 12.2. How comfortable are you with your clutch? Does your suspension have enough lift in the rear to accomadate the sqaut? What kind of alignment do you have? Most definetly try for a best 2/3 or something so you can get a feel for the car before you stomp his ***. GL man also if your clutch can handle it and the torque is right for you you might try starting in 2nd, to save a shift. Also i found shifting about 100 or so before stock redline keeps us in the torque curve alot better Now go swat out a spyder.
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Old 05-22-2007, 09:37 AM   #29
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also can he drive??
Can Ben drive is the question. You'll run a 12.8 if you pull a good launch (1.7-1.9). If you pull a 2.2 60 you'll probably only run a 13.5.

Drag radials = hard launch = diff for lunch.

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yeah i dunno miata guys must suck i see alot of 2.0+ 60 ft times here. I hope i can improve on that with mine when i get around to running it.
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I vote for the driveline swap. It's a simple job- could easily be done a couple of nights after work. And you're gonna do it anyway. No doubt the 6" rear + drag radials is going to be a bomb. IMO, the drag radials are going to be the key hardware component in winning.
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Old 05-22-2007, 11:26 AM   #32
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I vote for a driveline swap right after it breaks at the strip.

how @#$)(&^ awesome would that be?

"oh sorry diff broke, let me swap in another--back in an hour."

and the ferrari guy meanwhile is pondering his $200 oil changes.
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Old 05-22-2007, 11:33 AM   #33
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Lex look at his dyno chart or any dyno plot for a boosted miata. We make more torque by 3000 rpm than you would at your peak being NA.
The B6 and BP motors are very torquey, I know I have a BP and it's boosted - but the torque curve is not as well sustained and peak is lower than the 360 at 250whp. Our motors also don't like to spin too far past 7300RPM.

The 360 motor has a much better design, no arguing that, but I do think that the Miata's power to weight ratio could certainly make it a good contender in this case.
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The thing that amuses me about this whole setup is what your bud in the Ferrari plans to say after the race is over.

If he wins, he can't really brag to his friends about how he beat a little girlie car at the track. And if he loses, he'll have to sell the car. It's a no-win scenario for him.
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the power to wieght is exactly why he has a shot. We are moving less mass therefore we need less torque if he had a 4000 lbs buick he would need alot more torque and HP to make the numbers. Traction and driveline breakage are our defining limits not motor power in the ET department.
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Can Ben drive is the question. You'll run a 12.8 if you pull a good launch (1.7-1.9). If you pull a 2.2 60 you'll probably only run a 13.5.

Drag radials = hard launch = diff for lunch.

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I'm proof that even with a 2.2 60ft a 12.76 is possible. Put some C16 in the tank and turn up the boost. That 6" rear won't like slicks and 250+ RWHP, I suspect it will break pretty quickly... but you only need one run.

My 2.2 60' are not just bad driving, but rather you can only put so much power to a pair of 205/50/15's before they toast.

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this better make it to youtube
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Ben sweet. A lot of people talk **** about miatas it would be great to regulate some of those **** suckers. Especially the cocky ones with expensive m3s,vettes,and ferraris. Good luck on the run but be careful with that rear end.
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I would like confirmation from Ben that this event is being video taped!
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I have a digicam, but no mount. I've actually never been able to extract video from it onto a computer. I've tried using both the firewire and usb connections.
I have been able to record short videos on my treo650 and transfer them via SD card to computer.

I'll mix in some c16 fo sho Mark, but there's not really anymore room to turn up the boost.

I've never dragged the miata before, though I used to drag GM iron at Atlanta Dragway on friday nights. I'm going to need to get moving on wiring up the launch control switch.
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