VA Tech Shootings...OMG
04-16-2007, 08:34 PM
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Actually, there is a town NW of metro Atlanta with a law on its books which requires every head of household to own a firearm. While the law is not really enforced, that town has a very low crime rate compared to other atlanta suburbs.
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04-16-2007, 08:56 PM
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http://guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html
an excellent article regarding Swiss gun laws, and the ideas surrounding their lower crime rates (not necessarily gun related).
I believe (and granted this is only my opinion) that a large portion of the US's crime is due to the fact that criminals know they can walk around with their conveniently concealed guns and aside from police officers, the chance of running into another armed person is pretty rare. They can rob/kill/rape at will, and with the more or less pathetic response times of LEO's, be reasonably assured of getting away.
Forensics, intelligent officers, criminal's mistakes, etc can possibly lead to an arrest/conviction, but our justice system is so screwy that even then, the assailant could make some wild-*** claim that they were mentally fucked and can't be held responsible or some other bullshit excuse.
As far as actual gun control goes....the ideas to stop gun distribution/production and heavily enforce and regulate all gun ownership is, in essence, retarded. What are criminals? People who DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAW. so.....creating all these laws/regulations/stopping production/etc, is going to do what? Create a shitload of law-abiding, innocent people who can't protect themselves from PEOPLE WITH GUNS. Where do they get the guns since guns are 'illegal'. um....black market....illegal imports....anyone with a lathe and access to the metals could fashion bits and pieces that would function well enough to kill/maim someone.... Laws and regulations only provide an easier environment for the criminals. It isn't that cut and dry, but denying the fact that gun ownership can have a positive effect on crime rates is just dumb
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As far as the VA Tech killings go... My prayers go out to the families tonight who have to find out some of the most horrible news anyone could receive.
Losing a family member...hell, losing a dog, is emotional torture for anyone. Whoever the f*cker is who did this shouldn't have shot himself...I would have loved to see him get a firing squad execution....by the civil-militia this country *should* have.
Disclaimer : I am not a f'ing hillbilly living on a secluded mountain in TN with turret guns around my shithole trailer. I grew up in Chicago and am a responsible civilian for the most part (aside from a itchy right foot in the miata)
an excellent article regarding Swiss gun laws, and the ideas surrounding their lower crime rates (not necessarily gun related).
I believe (and granted this is only my opinion) that a large portion of the US's crime is due to the fact that criminals know they can walk around with their conveniently concealed guns and aside from police officers, the chance of running into another armed person is pretty rare. They can rob/kill/rape at will, and with the more or less pathetic response times of LEO's, be reasonably assured of getting away.
Forensics, intelligent officers, criminal's mistakes, etc can possibly lead to an arrest/conviction, but our justice system is so screwy that even then, the assailant could make some wild-*** claim that they were mentally fucked and can't be held responsible or some other bullshit excuse.
As far as actual gun control goes....the ideas to stop gun distribution/production and heavily enforce and regulate all gun ownership is, in essence, retarded. What are criminals? People who DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAW. so.....creating all these laws/regulations/stopping production/etc, is going to do what? Create a shitload of law-abiding, innocent people who can't protect themselves from PEOPLE WITH GUNS. Where do they get the guns since guns are 'illegal'. um....black market....illegal imports....anyone with a lathe and access to the metals could fashion bits and pieces that would function well enough to kill/maim someone.... Laws and regulations only provide an easier environment for the criminals. It isn't that cut and dry, but denying the fact that gun ownership can have a positive effect on crime rates is just dumb
<end anti-gun control rant>
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As far as the VA Tech killings go... My prayers go out to the families tonight who have to find out some of the most horrible news anyone could receive.
Losing a family member...hell, losing a dog, is emotional torture for anyone. Whoever the f*cker is who did this shouldn't have shot himself...I would have loved to see him get a firing squad execution....by the civil-militia this country *should* have.Disclaimer : I am not a f'ing hillbilly living on a secluded mountain in TN with turret guns around my shithole trailer. I grew up in Chicago and am a responsible civilian for the most part (aside from a itchy right foot in the miata)
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04-16-2007, 09:30 PM
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I am not talking about restricting gun access, im talking stop making guns. in reality I want a limit on the number of rounds a gun can hold.
PS. These ******* gang bangers that are shooting each other up, know the other ones have guns, they just get the jump on em. So no knowing somebody has a gun is not a deterrent.
This **** at VA Tech knew the police would show up, he didnt give a damn. But if he never had a gun he wouldnt have killed nearly as many as he have.
PS. These ******* gang bangers that are shooting each other up, know the other ones have guns, they just get the jump on em. So no knowing somebody has a gun is not a deterrent.
This **** at VA Tech knew the police would show up, he didnt give a damn. But if he never had a gun he wouldnt have killed nearly as many as he have.
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04-16-2007, 09:33 PM
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I am not talking about restricting gun access, im talking stop making guns. in reality I want a limit on the number of rounds a gun can hold.
PS. These ******* gang bangers that are shooting each other up, know the other ones have guns, they just get the jump on em. So no knowing somebody has a gun is not a deterrent.
This **** at VA Tech knew the police would show up, he didnt give a damn. But if he never had a gun he wouldnt have killed nearly as many as he have.
PS. These ******* gang bangers that are shooting each other up, know the other ones have guns, they just get the jump on em. So no knowing somebody has a gun is not a deterrent.
This **** at VA Tech knew the police would show up, he didnt give a damn. But if he never had a gun he wouldnt have killed nearly as many as he have.
and clearly completely restricting guns doesn't work either, what's your plan now ace?
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04-16-2007, 09:39 PM
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no guns in DC, obivously didn't work....i curious to what the crime rate looks like after one year, now that the ban was lifted.
you ban guns, then the only people who have them are criminals, cause obviously, they don't follow laws.
you ban guns, then the only people who have them are criminals, cause obviously, they don't follow laws.
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04-16-2007, 10:02 PM
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A little article about guns in the UK....
Government assured Britons they needed no weapons, society would protect them. If that were so in 1920 when the first firearms restrictions were passed, or in 1953 when Britons were forbidden to carry any article for their protection, it no longer is.
The failure of this general disarmament to stem, or even slow, armed and violent crime could not be more blatant. According to a recent UN study, England and Wales have the highest crime rate and worst record for "very serious" offences of the 18 industrial countries surveyed.
But would allowing law-abiding people to "have arms for their defence", as the 1689 English Bill of Rights promised, increase violence? Would Britain be following America's bad example?
The 'wild west' image is out of date
Old stereotypes die hard and the vision of Britain as a peaceable kingdom, America as "the wild west culture on the other side of the Atlantic" is out of date. It is true that in contrast to Britain's tight gun restrictions, half of American households have firearms, and 33 states now permit law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons.
But despite, or because, of this, violent crime in America has been plummeting for 10 consecutive years, even as British violence has been rising. By 1995 English rates of violent crime were already far higher than America's for every major violent crime except murder and rape.
You are now six times more likely to be mugged in London than New York. Why? Because as common law appreciated, not only does an armed individual have the ability to protect himself or herself but criminals are less likely to attack them. They help keep the peace. A study found American burglars fear armed home-owners more than the police. As a result burglaries are much rarer and only 13% occur when people are at home, in contrast to 53% in England.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2656875.stm
Government assured Britons they needed no weapons, society would protect them. If that were so in 1920 when the first firearms restrictions were passed, or in 1953 when Britons were forbidden to carry any article for their protection, it no longer is.
The failure of this general disarmament to stem, or even slow, armed and violent crime could not be more blatant. According to a recent UN study, England and Wales have the highest crime rate and worst record for "very serious" offences of the 18 industrial countries surveyed.
But would allowing law-abiding people to "have arms for their defence", as the 1689 English Bill of Rights promised, increase violence? Would Britain be following America's bad example?
The 'wild west' image is out of date
Old stereotypes die hard and the vision of Britain as a peaceable kingdom, America as "the wild west culture on the other side of the Atlantic" is out of date. It is true that in contrast to Britain's tight gun restrictions, half of American households have firearms, and 33 states now permit law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons.
But despite, or because, of this, violent crime in America has been plummeting for 10 consecutive years, even as British violence has been rising. By 1995 English rates of violent crime were already far higher than America's for every major violent crime except murder and rape.
You are now six times more likely to be mugged in London than New York. Why? Because as common law appreciated, not only does an armed individual have the ability to protect himself or herself but criminals are less likely to attack them. They help keep the peace. A study found American burglars fear armed home-owners more than the police. As a result burglaries are much rarer and only 13% occur when people are at home, in contrast to 53% in England.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2656875.stm
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04-16-2007, 10:05 PM
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its not a gun problem but a attitude problem. for some reason we americans like to solve problems with force, heck if it were not for being rebellous there would not be a good ole USA. Bowling for Columbine explained U.S. attitudes fairly well. Canadians have lots of guns but they don't have murder rates like the states do. canadians are passive. Americans kick ***.
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04-16-2007, 10:37 PM
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I tell ya what Loki, take a look at ANY prison. A prison has complete gun control. By your "restricting" of guns, rape and murder in a prison should be near ZERO. Is it? Hmm.
OTOH, how many people rob gun stores? How many people hijack El Al, the Israeli airline? Not very many in both cases. Why is that? Maybe because criminals know there are people with GUNS that will shoot them.
OTOH, how many people rob gun stores? How many people hijack El Al, the Israeli airline? Not very many in both cases. Why is that? Maybe because criminals know there are people with GUNS that will shoot them.
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04-16-2007, 10:41 PM
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Think that one through bud. If someone's going to unlawfully shoot people, do you think they are going to pay attention to how many rounds Johnny Law says their clip can hold?
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