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Old 07-18-2007, 11:30 AM   #1
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Do you think this was worth the effort?

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...=417646&st=475


start at page 1 and see ALL the work he put into it. Now it seems like he's mr. moneybags, and expect for his hard-on for the s2k engine, he seems to do things right....but I feel like the engine work was a waste. He might have HP at 9K, but it lacks torque like a ****.
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he did a good job...must be loaded though.
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yeah I'm not saying he didnt do a good job. but the engine choice? I dunno...and yes, I'm very jealous of the pocketbook used in this build.
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I can't see the point in going to all the work and cost just put that engine in a track car. I thought I read in the m.net post that he was planning to add a turbo... which is another project in itself. But that would make a quick car. I suppose it would be a porsche/vette beater at track events - but a good driver can do the same in turbo miata with original engine... for a lot less. That kind of dough could buy some very cool cars.

Scott, move back home with mom and dad. Think of all the extra income you'll have. :gay:
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Scott, move back home with mom and dad. Think of all the extra income you'll have. :gay:

dont think my wife will like that.


but yeah, if he was planning a turbo...and freaking 1.8L swap with headwork & cams would be simple/cheap and output similar results, without all the hassle of the swap, the ecu , the gauge pod , etc.
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Old 07-18-2007, 12:25 PM   #6
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after all that money, he's still gonna get smoked by a stock 1.6 greddy
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lots of effort for the performance of a greddy.
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he's got 20 ft-lbs on me. stock.
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he's got 20 ft-lbs on me. stock.
lol

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Why do hondas make so little torgue? Short stroke or something?
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There's a 1990 miata with an s2000 motor just put up on cr.net. Dedicated track day car, asking 15,500. It looks like it was done very right. There's a lot of people with money out there, I guess 15K on a toy isn't that outrageous.

http://clubroadster.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10273
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Anybody else sketched out by that "modified front subframe?"
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-The engine makes 150lbs of torque from 6000-8100rpm (a testament to how incredible an engine the F20C is)
I can't believe he just said that. i made that at 8 psi and way before 6K rpm. for 1500$ this guy is a ******* idiot doing something unique is one thing but this is a totall waste. Not a sleeper not fast and definetly not as cool as a turbo miata. Just my thought though.
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this is a totall waste. Not a sleeper not fast and definetly not as cool as a turbo miata
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its sooooo clean i love the paint
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That torque is typical of a good 2.0L inline 4. The fe3 9:1 compression makes just over 140ftlbs and the 10:1 model around 150. Of course the fe3 is now under $600 used. :gay: IMO the reason this was done was because this guy just really loves this engine and of course for a "cool factor" among a certain crowd. I've driven numerous vtecs and I just don't get off on having to rev so high to get power.
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lol

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Why do hondas make so little torgue? Short stroke or something?
Mostly, yes. Most Hondas are square, if not slightly undersquare. I know the K is perfectly square at 86x86, and the F20C shares a lot with the K so it's probably the same.

I think it's awesome. Torque, schmorque.

And Magna, you're comparing apples to oranges. Of course your BOOSTED engine makes more torque at lower revs..
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without torque you got nothing. It's just using math to the advantage of producing a high HP value. since Hp = T x N / 5252

150rwtq @ 10k = 282rwhp

150rwtq @ 12k = 342rwhp

but, it doesnt really matter....since the torque is low and flat it means the car is only accelerating at the same rate even if you can hold the revs up high, and at 150rwhp, thats not going to scoot around town very fast.

between 4K - 6K I'm making a relatively flat 170rwtq. but only making 200rwhp...by my redline he's making about the same HP, but I suspect even if I have to keep shifting throughout the gears I'll win.

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Old 07-18-2007, 04:23 PM   #18
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I just spent an hour looking at that thread....:gay:

Thats alot of ******* work....it seems kinda silly to me to do all of that work...but I guess hes a tad different in the crowd. But really, with that kind of money....I would have done something different.

But in the end....I'm still VERY impressed.

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Like I said- that's not "little" torque for the displacement. The FE3 has the same bore and stroke and makes the same torque at 10:1 static compression. 150ftlbs in a Miata is very nice- I think knocking torque is silly - it's what gets the car moving. I'd take torque over hp anyday for just about any kind of racing, rather than having a giant offset of hp to torque.

I think magna's point was that this guy went to a lot of work to put that engine in and the net result isn't much different than a turbo miata with stock engine.
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that's my point as well....I mean I give props to the build, and I like the rest of it, I just think the choice of motor was intereting.
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