Want or do not want? Subaru BRZ STI
06-09-2012, 08:26 PM
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For those of you that didn't read this on the 949 FB page:
Got a chance to drive an FR-S today. Better handing dynamics than an S2000. Easy to drive at limit like an NA or NB Miata. Rotates at will with only throttle inputs when all nannies are disabled. Surprisingly loud exhaust at full throttle but quite civil in cruise mode. Great damping, roll and pitch control. Great feeling brakes. Motor is what you would expect; Flat powerband, excellent throttle response, power about halfway between an NC and S2000. It's all about the chassis though. The composure and grip of the car on the zillion treadwear Ecopia tires is well, astonishing. On slightly larger, and sticky tires, it's gonna be like a big Miata. Grip for days and probably a lot faster on track the the numbers might suggest.
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06-09-2012, 11:51 PM
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What strikes me about the car is that it reminds me of what the miata was when it came out. While it is not an epic sports car with the greatest of performance features, it helps bring RWD and driving back onto the scene (even if it has to be under the name of scion). Sports cars seem to be dwindling from the market by most manufacturers, particularly simplistic RWD ones, so maybe this will help revitalize it to not be as much of a niche market for driving oriented people like us.
At the listed price I think it is a great thing, but I lose a lot of that thinking when I see it will be marked up 35% by dealers. That gets rid of a lot of the car's appeal. Needs to stay cheap to be successful in its current trim to me.
At the listed price I think it is a great thing, but I lose a lot of that thinking when I see it will be marked up 35% by dealers. That gets rid of a lot of the car's appeal. Needs to stay cheap to be successful in its current trim to me.
Sorry, I've always sort of been a Subaru fan, but no. Just no.
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06-10-2012, 12:09 AM
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I love how the Toyobaru haters pounce on the numbers, like they matter. You'd have blown off the NA Miata 23 years ago, using that logic.
It's an affordable car with potential. Sure, all the scene kids are going to get them and paint the wipers yellow, but who cares? Did we stop liking Miatas because CR rusts them out?
It's an affordable car with potential. Sure, all the scene kids are going to get them and paint the wipers yellow, but who cares? Did we stop liking Miatas because CR rusts them out?
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06-10-2012, 12:55 AM
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What strikes me about the car is that it reminds me of what the miata was when it came out. While it is not an epic sports car with the greatest of performance features, it helps bring RWD and driving back onto the scene (even if it has to be under the name of scion). Sports cars seem to be dwindling from the market by most manufacturers, particularly simplistic RWD ones, so maybe this will help revitalize it to not be as much of a niche market for driving oriented people like us.
At the listed price I think it is a great thing, but I lose a lot of that thinking when I see it will be marked up 35% by dealers. That gets rid of a lot of the car's appeal. Needs to stay cheap to be successful in its current trim to me.
At the listed price I think it is a great thing, but I lose a lot of that thinking when I see it will be marked up 35% by dealers. That gets rid of a lot of the car's appeal. Needs to stay cheap to be successful in its current trim to me.
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06-10-2012, 09:02 AM
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My buddy just got one (scion version). We crammed 4 people in it and went for a drive. It's pretty nice honestly. Engine bay is super tight though, like good luck changing spark plugs tight. Hopefully the car makes an impact in the market and other manufacturers bring out some competition.
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06-10-2012, 09:34 AM
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What a Subaru fanboy.
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06-10-2012, 10:05 AM
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When did it matter if a car was RWD or FWD on the "scene" anyway? Just look at all the toolbags in scions now who think their cars are effing formula 1 spec'd... If this thing is supposed to remind someone of a under powered nimble well handling convertible which was affordable and capable of HUGE modifications then they've failed on an epic scale.
Sorry, I've always sort of been a Subaru fan, but no. Just no.
Sorry, I've always sort of been a Subaru fan, but no. Just no.
I dont necessarily love the thing, but what it represents for manufacturers' direction seems better than their recent beige fetish.
If people like Emilio think it has good bones, it cant be all that bad.
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06-11-2012, 12:02 AM
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I used this argument for the CR-Z. I hate hybrids and pretty much all hondas but I liked the fact that they tried to make a sporty car. I think any car that is designed to be relatively sporty is better than a damn appliance car.
No one agreed.
No one agreed.
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06-11-2012, 03:52 AM
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It's supposed to be small, light (ish) relatively low powered and FUN to drive. People saying the skinny tyres ake the car look daft and how it doesn't make enough power just have an almighty woosh going on.
As you say 18psi, it's an MX5 alternative, low power, good handling and RWD.
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06-11-2012, 08:25 AM
#219
Exactly.
Light, fun on the street.
Not some powermonster car.
Just like the Miata was meant to be. Turbo it later? Sure.
But let it be what it was meant to be first, because that can stick around, through the power.
I'd be buying one last week if it were 2500 lbs and had a double wishbone suspension, with a slight rear weight bias.
2700 lbs, struts and front heavy... close, but a miss.
Light, fun on the street.
Not some powermonster car.
Just like the Miata was meant to be. Turbo it later? Sure.
But let it be what it was meant to be first, because that can stick around, through the power.
I'd be buying one last week if it were 2500 lbs and had a double wishbone suspension, with a slight rear weight bias.
2700 lbs, struts and front heavy... close, but a miss.
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