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Old 06-09-2012, 07:40 PM   #201
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you mean a bunch of teenagers, especially girls, will have their parents buy them?
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Old 06-09-2012, 08:07 PM   #202
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It won't be common at their current production or their estimated sales figures.

That said, I'm more excited to see how much weight could be taken off the car, especially the front end. Power can always be added to anything. Weight and balance...
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Old 06-09-2012, 09:26 PM   #203
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For those of you that didn't read this on the 949 FB page:
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Got a chance to drive an FR-S today. Better handing dynamics than an S2000. Easy to drive at limit like an NA or NB Miata. Rotates at will with only throttle inputs when all nannies are disabled. Surprisingly loud exhaust at full throttle but quite civil in cruise mode. Great damping, roll and pitch control. Great feeling brakes. Motor is what you would expect; Flat powerband, excellent throttle response, power about halfway between an NC and S2000. It's all about the chassis though. The composure and grip of the car on the zillion treadwear Ecopia tires is well, astonishing. On slightly larger, and sticky tires, it's gonna be like a big Miata. Grip for days and probably a lot faster on track the the numbers might suggest.
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Old 06-09-2012, 09:45 PM   #204
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Its cool....I know exactly how this will go. People are skeptical when non-track guys like me and Vash are saying its cool.

Then Sav or Emilio gives it a thumbs up and all of a sudden its the coolest thing in the universe and was "just discovered "

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still not buying into it.
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Old 06-09-2012, 10:17 PM   #206
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time to trade in your Scion tC, college girls!
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Old 06-09-2012, 10:47 PM   #207
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Its smaller than most cars in its class
Its lighter than most cars in its class
Its rear wheel drive
It costs a reasonable amount (before markups which will pass)

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lol ur so gay

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pro tip: it will never be a collectors item because they will sell a bazillion of them x 3 makes.
DSMs were common but how often do you see a clean one these days?

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time to trade in your Scion tC, college girls!
the tCs will probably be traded in but they'll never give up their V6 Mustangs
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:01 AM   #208
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Id rather have a v6 m ustang
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:51 AM   #209
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you mean more than one auto manufacturer worked on a car that came out shitty?



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oh what the eff ever. The car is neat, and it will be fun to drive and isn't horrible looking.
But the thing is, it looks like a pile of dog ---- and the performance numbers on it are far from impressive. I'd rather spend less on a car which could be improved and still come out ahead..

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Should I be more impressed with this car than I am? The major flaws are the lack of amber adjustment, pathetic engine output, and its ugly as sin. I am impressed with the price though.
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What strikes me about the car is that it reminds me of what the miata was when it came out. While it is not an epic sports car with the greatest of performance features, it helps bring RWD and driving back onto the scene (even if it has to be under the name of scion). Sports cars seem to be dwindling from the market by most manufacturers, particularly simplistic RWD ones, so maybe this will help revitalize it to not be as much of a niche market for driving oriented people like us.

At the listed price I think it is a great thing, but I lose a lot of that thinking when I see it will be marked up 35% by dealers. That gets rid of a lot of the car's appeal. Needs to stay cheap to be successful in its current trim to me.
When did it matter if a car was RWD or FWD on the "scene" anyway? Just look at all the toolbags in scions now who think their cars are effing formula 1 spec'd... If this thing is supposed to remind someone of a under powered nimble well handling convertible which was affordable and capable of HUGE modifications then they've failed on an epic scale.

Sorry, I've always sort of been a Subaru fan, but no. Just no.
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:09 AM   #210
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I love how the Toyobaru haters pounce on the numbers, like they matter. You'd have blown off the NA Miata 23 years ago, using that logic.

It's an affordable car with potential. Sure, all the scene kids are going to get them and paint the wipers yellow, but who cares? Did we stop liking Miatas because CR rusts them out?
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What strikes me about the car is that it reminds me of what the miata was when it came out. While it is not an epic sports car with the greatest of performance features, it helps bring RWD and driving back onto the scene (even if it has to be under the name of scion). Sports cars seem to be dwindling from the market by most manufacturers, particularly simplistic RWD ones, so maybe this will help revitalize it to not be as much of a niche market for driving oriented people like us.

At the listed price I think it is a great thing, but I lose a lot of that thinking when I see it will be marked up 35% by dealers. That gets rid of a lot of the car's appeal. Needs to stay cheap to be successful in its current trim to me.
Part of me wants to see cars like this die so us guys with antique Miatas can still have a chance at the track, the other part of me is reasonable and realizes that our suspension design with some power can never lose.
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My buddy just got one (scion version). We crammed 4 people in it and went for a drive. It's pretty nice honestly. Engine bay is super tight though, like good luck changing spark plugs tight. Hopefully the car makes an impact in the market and other manufacturers bring out some competition.
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It's just going to be the next 240. If I was smart, I'd invest an a shop that makes their bumper covers.
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give it a year or two, they will settle down, then you can actually find a non-ripoff deal on one
You can buy them right now for MSRP. I am getting so ------- annoyed with idiots that can't figure out - especially in the day and age of the internet - that there is more than one Scion/Subaru dealer for a given area (unless you live in the middle of nowhere, in which case, that was your choice).

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Should I be more impressed with this car than I am? The major flaws are the lack of amber adjustment, pathetic engine output, and its ugly as sin. I am impressed with the price though.
No, you should not be more impressed with the car. You should be just as impressed or unimpressed as you are, based on your personal preferences.

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When did it matter if a car was RWD or FWD on the "scene" anyway? Just look at all the toolbags in scions now who think their cars are effing formula 1 spec'd... If this thing is supposed to remind someone of a under powered nimble well handling convertible which was affordable and capable of HUGE modifications then they've failed on an epic scale.

Sorry, I've always sort of been a Subaru fan, but no. Just no.
Maybe I should rephrase: I by the "scene" I dont mean whats cool or popular with most people or whatever. What I mean is that a car that is oriented around driving is a great thing to see because there is less and less focus on selling cars like that lately. It would be nice for other manufacturers to follow suit with (an even better) competitor.

I dont necessarily love the thing, but what it represents for manufacturers' direction seems better than their recent beige fetish.

If people like Emilio think it has good bones, it cant be all that bad.
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I used this argument for the CR-Z. I hate hybrids and pretty much all hondas but I liked the fact that they tried to make a sporty car. I think any car that is designed to be relatively sporty is better than a damn appliance car.
No one agreed.
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I used this argument for the CR-Z. I hate hybrids and pretty much all hondas but I liked the fact that they tried to make a sporty car. I think any car that is designed to be relatively sporty is better than a damn appliance car.
No one agreed.
CR-Z? Puke.

BRZ yay. maybe

If it handles like a rx8 i will have a fresh boner. Still haven't driven a factory car that is nicer suspeniosned.
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it will be a miata alternative. relatively cheap, common, and fun.

at least that's my prediction right now
There's a LOT of people on this thread completely missing the point of the car.

It's supposed to be small, light (ish) relatively low powered and FUN to drive. People saying the skinny tyres ake the car look daft and how it doesn't make enough power just have an almighty woosh going on.

As you say 18psi, it's an MX5 alternative, low power, good handling and RWD.
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Exactly.

Light, fun on the street.

Not some powermonster car.

Just like the Miata was meant to be. Turbo it later? Sure.

But let it be what it was meant to be first, because that can stick around, through the power.

I'd be buying one last week if it were 2500 lbs and had a double wishbone suspension, with a slight rear weight bias.

2700 lbs, struts and front heavy... close, but a miss.
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It's just going to be the next 240. If I was smart, I'd invest an a shop that makes their bumper covers.
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