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Old 08-25-2011, 10:38 PM   #41
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Holy **** there have been a lot replies, thank you. For clarification, law is my LONG term plan and engineering is what I am currently studying. Unfortunately due to budget and personnel cuts I was laid off my job today. Although, I was offered to be re-hired within a month I must say that I have not been really happy doing what I was doing at the time. Honestly, it paid good and that's what I stuck around.

Anyhooters, I am looking to get involved with something more inclined towards engineering and here is where I thought of the AF. At this point I think I going to push hard so I can have my associates by next semester the latest, since I have all the time to concentrate in school now.

As I mentioned before my short term goal is to find a job that is inclined towards engineering. I hope that clarifies a little.

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Old 08-25-2011, 11:14 PM   #42
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What kind of engineering... lots of posts already with suggestions... what has caught your eye?
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Old 08-25-2011, 11:26 PM   #43
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I studying mechanical. I will attempt to doble major Mechanical and aerospace once at UF.
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I'm 3 credits away from graduation and I'm currently enrolled in 12 because I'm bored. ****, I don't want to leave.
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Old 08-26-2011, 02:01 AM   #45
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I studying mechanical. I will attempt to doble major Mechanical and aerospace once at UF.
So, specifically you're looking for jobs in the military that will give you "field" mechanical or aerospace engineering experience? I'm kinda pushing YOU to give us more feedback. There has been a LOT of advice and you're not telling us what has caught your eye or if any of the advice here has been useful.

I can talk at length on the Navy side of the house, but there is nothing for you in the aero field unless you want to become a test-pilot, which I already talked about. I could mention Seabees, and the enlisted types do some actual engineering, but more general construction and building... all while getting shot at. Anything nuke, machinists mate, certain ships rates... damage controlman, hull technician...

So, what else can we talk about?
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Old 08-26-2011, 03:15 AM   #46
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I think Army Sapper school is engineering heavy, but it would require you to be in very good shape, click
to watch the Sapper episode of Surviving the Cut. Seabee has been mentioned but it is also physically demanding (Seabee is the same thing as SWCC right? If not then forget about what I sad about Seabee's). I can't remember if anyone mentioned anything related to working on a Submarine, you might want to look into that.
If your interested in Nuclear/Biological/Chemical (NBC) the Marine Corpes has a NBC MOS.
So, what type of physical shape are you in? Are you a good runner? Swimmer? Decent upper body strength? If not, are you motivated enough to work to get into good physical shape?
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Old 08-26-2011, 11:36 AM   #47
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Seabees are mobile construction teams who also fight. They build bridges, bases, electrical plants, water systems, towns, buildings, roads, airports, etc.



SWCC's are Special Warfare Combatant-craft Crewmen... they drive the boats that SEALS deploy out of.
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Old 08-26-2011, 10:50 PM   #48
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Samnavy - Yes, I am looking to get a job that would give me field experience in either mechanical or aerospace engineering. I am leaning really towards the AF, although I understand that is not easy to enroll at this point. I am not really inclined to work in submarines or ships, so there goes the Navy. If I had to chose between the Army and the Marines, I'd choose the Marines.

I doubt that I would be able to become a pilot of any sort mainly because my eye-sight is very (emphasis) poor, but that's just me speaking with no supporting facts to say otherwise. Sam, maybe you can tell me how much of an issues would my eye-sight be.

In regards to previous post, I would not really mind the enlistment or contract time depending on the circumstances of the same. I would really like a civilian-like job (unlikely I know). I am not sure how interested I am in nuclear engineering... Sorry that I am not very clear per se.

Gearhead - At the time I am not fit. However, I bet I can still run a mile on 6 mins. I could easily get in shape now that I have nothing to do. If I would have to evaluate myself I'd say that I am a very good runner when in shape and I use to swim often for cardio so I am somewhat above normal(??) but that's just me talking about me. Upper body strenght, at this time I would be a regular joe, but like I said getting in shape is just a matter of getting off the couch.

With that said I would rather drive SEAL vehicles, rather than building **** while being shot at.

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Most stuff requiring good sight (Scout/Sniper in the MC) only requires that your sight is correctable to 20/20. BTW, a guy I know just talked to an AF recruiter and he was told that the AF was in need of aircraft gunners, which sounds like it could be fun.
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Old 08-26-2011, 11:08 PM   #50
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I FAR from a correctable 20/20... just saying

Gunner sounds like fun... I could yell "America **** yeah" while doing it...
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:31 AM   #51
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Honestly it sounds like you need to put some more thought into what you really want to do. The way I see it, you're looking in mutually exclusive, or at least detrimental, directions. If you want engineering experience leading to career in patent law you will probably want something other than civil engineering (CE) (No offense to the civil engineers on the board). If you want to be involved with engineering other than CE in the military you pretty much need to be an officer. To me, this points directly towards getting your degree through either Air Force or Navy ROTC. While the experience you can gain through some of the more "exciting" careers like gunner or SWCC crewman may be good in a general sense, it won't directly further your goal. That being said, if you're not sure of what you want to do, an enlistment tour might not be a bad idea. Do also be aware that officers in engineering career fields don't do a lot of actual design engineering. It's more akin to engineering management in my experience. Also, don't enlist with the expectation that you'll get one of the elite jobs. There are a lot more personnelists than AC-130 gunners, SEAL boat drivers and any other cool career field that you can think of combined. Not trying to discourage you from going military, I've been very pleased with my decision, just trying to set realistic expectations. That was more rambling than I intended but hopefully its helpful.
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Old 08-27-2011, 01:58 AM   #52
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Buffy,
I'm going to say at this point that the military seems like a longshot for you in a technical rate. Being correctable to 20/20 isn't mandatory per se, but almost anything "in the field" requires you to be 20/20... for example, 20/20 is required to work on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier, and I'm sure it's required to work with any kind of weaponry/explosives or nuclear materials. Being FAR from correctable to 20/20 is very limiting for you.

Maybe looking into corrective eye surgery is a good idea if you're serious about the military.

Also, do you have anything significant in your background that would prevent you from getting a security clearance... ever been convicted of a serious crime? Money problems? Domestic violence? Do you have money interests in foreign nations? Do you have any tie to anything/anybody in a terrorist country? Have you ever been part of a anti-establishment organization? **** like that?
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My brother has red/green "color blindness" and the MC wont let him be Mil. Police, but they'll let him be a bomb tech.
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^I'm certain he's not telling you everything.

Marine and Navy EOD both require correctable to 20/20, with normal color vision, depth perception, and stereopsis. You must also have a valid Explosive Motor Vehicle Operators licence, which is goverened by the DOT and also requires 20/20, color vision, and depth perception.
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Sorry I got back so late, my PT Test is for a 26 year old (18-29 age bracket) 38 Push ups, 45 sit ups and the 1.5 mile at 13:30, although the graduation standards from basic are higher, and you don't want to be dropping to your minimums, you want to exceed them. Oh this job here...

http://airforce.com/careers/detail/s...ms-operations/

Is a super cool enlisted job that does what aerospace engineers at NASA do. I know, I asked one. He said I should jump on it if I get a chance. I also talked to people in the field, and though they were somewhat tight lipped on the particulars, they enjoyed it and said the description was accurate.

Edit: It also looks like the Air Force has a requirement of 15 credits of college now, which you should be fine with, but that just shows they are tightening up standards for people to get in. We had 950 billion in cuts this year, and our TA cap got lowered.
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^I'm certain he's not telling you everything.

Marine and Navy EOD both require correctable to 20/20, with normal color vision, depth perception, and stereopsis. You must also have a valid Explosive Motor Vehicle Operators licence, which is goverened by the DOT and also requires 20/20, color vision, and depth perception.
I think I was thinking of "combat engineer" or something that could possibly sound like it has something to do with getting rid of ordinance. Or maybe I just didn't hear him right.
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Old 08-30-2011, 12:43 AM   #57
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Shooter - I am a ME major. Thanks for your insight.

Sam - My vision is bad... like CR.net bad. Also, I am not an eye surgery candidate. After being laid off I would not drop $3k in eye surgery just to join the military. To answer all your questions, no no no no and no.

Chicks - that looks like something interesting, really. I have to talk to the recruiter about what you guys are suggesting.
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I'm need to caveat something samnavy stated. While it may be true that most operational jobs require 20/20 vision most engineering jobs do not. I'm speaking from an AF perspective here so I can speak to the Navy requirements but I know tons of people who aren't correctable to 20/20 in the AF. Personally, I'm not correctable to 20/20 (close though) and it hasn't impacted me at all. What HAS impacted me is my poor depth perception which is keeping me out of TPS (Test Pilot School) which is open to engineers as well as pilots. Generally speaking I'd say that the vast majority of jobs don't require 20/20 vision but I can't speak specifically about any career field other than 62X (engineer) as an officer.

I know a few enlisted space system operators. The job will probably be either really cool, or ridiculously boring depending. Not a bad way to go on the enlisted side though.
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Okay ladies I just got off the phone with the recruiter. Apparently all looks good aside the fact that I am not a citizen, yet. After I told the recriter what I am majoring and what type of job I am interested in, he said I would have to be a citizen "for clearance purposes". I ask the military gurus, how true or correct is this?
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Very true.
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