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Old 11-11-2008, 11:38 AM   #1
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Default Who's getting a new assault rifle before Obama issues E.O.'s?

I know I am!!! Gonna get a whole bunch of new toys prior to the new ban coming...

You watch, it's coming.

I think I might get a AK-47 this time around... cheap and lots of accessories available. Prices will be going up soon.

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Prices have already been going up. I've seen AR's that I was watching at $700 a couple months ago climb to $800-900 preceding the election, and then to $1500 within a few days after the election.

A couple of the manufacturers are reporting that they aren't keeping up with current demand.

But I do not think that Obama will immediately go after guns. He will do it, but not immediately.
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But I do not think that Obama will immediately go after guns. He will do it, but not immediately.

But his constitutes really like guns...DC is already full of them even with the prior gun ban
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Old 11-11-2008, 11:57 AM   #4
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Another reason why gun control is such a retarded idea. Anti-gun laws will only be adhered to by those who follow laws.

Luckily, the DC ban has been overturned (against Obama's objections), but it is still extremely difficult to be allowed to keep a firearm in a DC home. There is lots of cost and complexity in the required paperwork.
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I"ve got one AR-15 (Olympic Arms) and two Chinese SKS that were bought back in the day when they were $69 new in cosmoline. I don't use any of them much, so doubt I will buy another. I did have a nice AK-47 that I sold to my buddy who really wanted it.
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I think Obama has bigger issues to deal with than trying to push legislation through for gun control.

In my opinion, gun control laws aren't meant to keep them from organized crime as much as to keep them away from the crazies. Making them illegal makes it more difficult to purchase and drive up the cost which could prevent your avg 16 yr old kid from shooting up his high school. Think most of the weapons that were used in school shooting were purchased legally.
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I think Obama has bigger issues to deal with than trying to push legislation through for gun control.

In my opinion, gun control laws aren't meant to keep them from organized crime as much as to keep them away from the crazies. Making them illegal makes it more difficult to purchase and drive up the cost which could prevent your avg 16 yr old kid from shooting up his high school. Think most of the weapons that were used in school shooting were purchased legally.
You can make all the laws you want, as long as guns exist criminals will have them. So I dont see how it could possibly be a smart thing to take them out of the hands of people who use them responsibly. If someone breaks into my house and has a gun atleast we are on even grounds. If I dont have my guns then what? The criminal will have his no matter what laws are out there. Not a smart thing imo to let criminals have the upper hand.
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Making them illegal makes it more difficult to purchase and drive up the cost which could prevent your avg 16 yr old kid from shooting up his high school. Think most of the weapons that were used in school shooting were purchased legally.
Making them illegal for the 100,000,000 people who can legally buy them to prevent 2, 5, 10, (insert your own miniscule number here) that might use them in a crime?

More people will intentionally run someone down with a car that was legally purchased than will kill someone with a legally purchased assult rifle. I guess we better outlaw cars then, right? Yes, that would be stupid. About as stupid as outlawing a rifle for the same reason. Why not outlaw baseball bats or hammers? You can kill someone with those, too.

I just never got that argument. Outlaw the tool, not the take care of the tool using it, huh?
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What unlawfully kills more people each year?
a) shootings by permitted gun owners
b) auto accidents caused by intoxicated illegals

Now, which group do you think BO and the Dems are going to go after? And which group are they going to make legal so they can vote for the incumbents. Hmm, I think my question kind of gives away the answer.
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Making them illegal for the 100,000,000 people who can legally buy them to prevent 2, 5, 10, (insert your own miniscule number here) that might use them in a crime?

More people will intentionally run someone down with a car that was legally purchased than will kill someone with a legally purchased assult rifle. I guess we better outlaw cars then, right? Yes, that would be stupid. About as stupid as outlawing a rifle for the same reason. Why not outlaw baseball bats or hammers? You can kill someone with those, too.

I just never got that argument. Outlaw the tool, not the take care of the tool using it, huh?
Naw Stein you don't get it...

See, I have been doing some research, and it turns out most people killed as the result of a car accident are in fact operating a motor vehicle. Therefore, we should ban vehicles and nobody will be killed... Better for everybody....

A large percentage of small craft fatalities are causes by people drowning. So if there was a law to keep people off the water, then it would be better for everyone....

And it turns out smoking causes cancer which kills people. And someone could try to force me to smoke and to give me cancer. So we should make smoking illegal too.

And bad guys kill people with guns so we should make owning guns illegal. That way no bad people can kill good people.

If I had the money I'd go buy a gun right now. I've been wanting to get one forever.
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What unlawfully kills more people each year?
a) shootings by permitted gun owners
b) auto accidents caused by intoxicated illegals

Now, which group do you think BO and the Dems are going to go after? And which group are they going to make legal so they can vote for the incumbents. Hmm, I think my question kind of gives away the answer.

Hell iirc tobacco kills more than both of them, yet nothing is done about that.
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I just never got that argument. Outlaw the tool, not the take care of the tool using it, huh?
has a good point. I'm gonna quote chris rock on this one.

"Guns don't kill people, BULLETS kill people! Let guns and bullet be perfectly legal but make them cost like 700$ for 1 bullet. Not many people will buy them and they'd make sure there was no stray bullets. Drive-by's would stop........"

and he goes on with making jokes about the subject and whatnot.

but seriously if bullets costed a ridiculous amount shootings would probably slow down.
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has a good point. I'm gonna quote chris rock on this one.

"Guns don't kill people, BULLETS kill people! Let guns and bullet be perfectly legal but make them cost like 700$ for 1 bullet. Not many people will buy them and they'd make sure there was no stray bullets. Drive-by's would stop........"

and he goes on with making jokes about the subject and whatnot.

but seriously if bullets costed a ridiculous amount shootings would probably slow down.
What a ridiculous idea. So now the bad guy has to rob the ammo store. Ok. Still stupid. I hope you agree that's a BS idea. Like making gas $50 a gallon to reduce vehicle collisions by drunk drivers. The problem is drunk drivers, not the price of gas. Changing the price of gas doesn't fix drunk drivers.
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Don't forget there are more people killed every day in Chicago than in Iraq.

I've stated my case before to Y8s that Obama wants to ban our guns, nobody seems to listen and / or care. AWB (Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) did nothing to keep Fully auto weapons from the hands of Larry Eugene Phillips, Jr. and Emil Matasareanu. (North Hollywood shootout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Just ask any LA cop why they've got an AR-15 / MP5 in their trunk now.

There are 2 uses for gun control:

Take the tools from rightful LEGAL owners, and place them in the hands of those who are going to do wrong.
Attempt to remove our Second Amendment Rights which were put in place to keep ******* like Obama and Liberal Democrats in CHECK.

Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

since history had shown taking away the people's arms and making it an offense for people to keep them was the way tyrants eliminated resistance to suppression of political opponents.[3] In District of Columbia v. Heller (June 26, 2008), the Supreme Court ruled that self-defense is a central component of the right.[4]

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Hell iirc tobacco kills more than both of them, yet nothing is done about that.
Thats because the Government makes WAYYY too much money off them. Hell, I'm sure Obama would offer to ban Tobacco for higher income taxes.
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Thats because the Government makes WAYYY too much money off them. Hell, I'm sure Obama would offer to ban Tobacco for higher income taxes.


I knew that was the answer, its funny how if it benefits the government then its ok.
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but seriously if bullets costed a ridiculous amount shootings would probably slow down.

Do you seriously think that criminals pay retail for the guns and ammo that they illegally possess?
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Do you seriously think that criminals pay retail for the guns and ammo that they illegally possess?
Cocaine is illegal last time I checked. Sure is hard to get, right? Same thing.
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I'm just going to say one thing and that's it. We don't need another long debate. I think elesjuan definitely has a valid point that making guns (or some subset) illegal won't stop people from getting them. But if some kinds were illegal at least those caught using them in a crime would get additional jail time. I also think the idea that an armed citizenry is somehow keeping the criminals and the government at bay is a ridiculous pipe dream.
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I also think the idea that an armed citizenry is somehow keeping the criminals and the government at bay is a ridiculous pipe dream.
Maybe, but if guns were illegal to have then criminals would have absolutely nothing to deter them. They already dont care about the law.
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