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Old 07-05-2009, 01:03 AM   #161
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Gas tank will depend on the bike.
Bikes with injection are a bit trickier, so it might be easier to get the seller to hold the tank up while you take a look.
On the SVs, both carbed and FI, it's relatively easy.

First, you remove the two little side panels and the front seat. Then you remove two bolts up near the headstock which go in from the top and hold the tank to the frame. After that, the tank just hinges up at the back, and there is a prop rod to hold it up. (The rod is stored in a clip under the seat, though I can't remember if it's under the front seat or the rear seat. Doesn't really matter, as removing the rear seat requires only that you insert the key into a slot in the left side and turn. You'll do this every time you store your helmet on the built-in helmet lock.)

The tool kit which contains all the tools you need to do this is stored in a box just forward of the rear tire above the swingarm, which is opened from the left side.
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Old 07-06-2009, 09:51 PM   #162
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don't think i used the rear brake on the track, if this thread is still alive i'll update adter my track day on the 6th. I do use the rear brake on the street, of course you can't just jam on it or you're in for a ride but you can use it. a lot of bikes like harleys rely on the rear brake a lot more, but it seems with supersports they've sized the brakes so that they're not very strong anyway.
confirmed, no use of the rear brake on the track today for me, downshifting and braking at the end of the straight alone was enough to get the rear end loose a few times. I need a track bike. i'm scraping pegs with the feelers removed now
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So help me get something straight.

In the last 2 weeks, 2 SV's with less then 1000 miles have sold for $3000 on ebay, and even more historically.
I am scrounging SVrider and Sportbikes.net and people are selling machines with 10k+ miles for 3500+.

Is it safe to lowball these people into the $2000 range because with the market I am seeing, it would be pretty normal.
Whats going on?

Case in point.
http://forum.svrider.com/showthread.php?t=105929
Its in nice, shape and well maintained. But a new bike will cost less. Based on market value, this bike wouldnt be worth at most 3k. Id give him 2500 max.

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there is always the option to lowball dude you should nvr pay more for something than you think is right. I would be inclined to throw low offers myself, fwiw bikes are only realy considered high mileage if they are in the 40k+ mile range and even then exceptions apply.
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there is always the option to lowball dude you should nvr pay more for something than you think is right. I would be inclined to throw low offers myself, fwiw bikes are only realy considered high mileage if they are in the 40k+ mile range and even then exceptions apply.
+1 i've never seen a bike's engine fail from high mileage, most are smashed way before that can happen
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Old 07-07-2009, 01:13 PM   #166
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there is always the option to lowball dude you should nvr pay more for something than you think is right. I would be inclined to throw low offers myself, fwiw bikes are only realy considered high mileage if they are in the 40k+ mile range and even then exceptions apply.
Still though, it indicates use. A more used machine shouldnt cost more than a less used machine. Unless I dont understand what else plays into price when comparing bike vs bike.
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'07 GSXR 1000. Love it, dont ride it that much. Few mods. Very strong bike. On another note, low ball the guy and see if he will take it. If not, he may counter offer and may give you a price you would be happy with. I've done it several times and it worked. Some people want more, but will be happy with what they can get.

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^ thats a sexy gixxer.

when i get the turbo build paid off im going to buy me a new bike... unless i have my gti paid off enough to trade in. then im elise/exige shopping
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Thanks. Been thinking of selling it.
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Still though, it indicates use. A more used machine shouldnt cost more than a less used machine. Unless I dont understand what else plays into price when comparing bike vs bike.
Well its the diff between Scots 1.6 miata with 250 whp that he autocrosses competetivly everyweek or the 1.6 with 250 whp that some old guy drove on backraods alil and took trips across the state in a few times a year. Overall motor condition does not go down with use it goes down with abuse. The bike with 9k miles less on it could be someone who had there license pulled for doing 90 mph wheelies and big *** burnouts or couldn't afford to ride do to the lack of tickets. This is just as likely on the higher mileage bike to an extent, but given the mileage it means that this was done in spurts and overall the bike was basically used as transportation. Bottom line unless its a garage find from a old person, then 99% of the bikes out there will have been run into a tree before they **** the motor and gear box enough to hurt anything. Unless they did something catastrophic like run with no oil etc. Hell would you qualm over a new corvette where one moddle had 30K miles and the other had 5k miles?
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Thanks. Been thinking of selling it.
how much were you thinking of selling it for? my bike kicked the bucket this afternoon and being a 20yr old bike i dont think its worth fixing up
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What considered the AK-47 of motorcycles?
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What considered the AK-47 of motorcycles?

Maybe a Honda XR650L? Or an old CBR600F2 or F3? Why? There really isn't a fair comparison. Where a 92 Honda Civic is exactly as indestructible as an AK47 and will run for 100k miles with literally zero maintenance, there really isn't a bike that can simply go utterly unmaintained.
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how much were you thinking of selling it for? my bike kicked the bucket this afternoon and being a 20yr old bike i dont think its worth fixing up
Asking $8500. PM me if interested.
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Maybe a Honda XR650L? Or an old CBR600F2 or F3? Why? There really isn't a fair comparison. Where a 92 Honda Civic is exactly as indestructible as an AK47 and will run for 100k miles with literally zero maintenance, there really isn't a bike that can simply go utterly unmaintained.
What comes close?

A bike that can be left outside under a cover throughout a winter, in heat, and through rain. Requires very little maintenance other then oil changes, but I dont have to flush the gas tank to store it just let the carb run through the gas when the fuel is off.
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What considered the AK-47 of motorcycles?
A Honda Nighthawk. I personally like the 84-85 700SC Nighthawks.
Should have never sold mine.

A Suzuki SV650 should be pretty bullet proof.
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Most bikes need pretty frequent valve adjustments, there are a few models that don't, but I can't remember any off the top of my head beside Harleys.

This is a PITA job except on a Kawasaki 250/500, and should be taken into consideration.

Bike tires last about like full on race tires on a Miata, so be prepared. Maintenance is a lot more frequent on a bike, and a bike should be maintained as well as a plane IMHO. This was one of the things that killed my wife: I ALWAYS needed something for the bike...chain, tires, brakes, valve shims....something.

I knew a guy (through forum)with a Ducati Monster that put over 140Kmiles on an claimed very little maintenance and work. They sell used just a little over SV range, and it is a similar riding style/powerband.

You will want FI however to leave it out in the cold. I actually had the venturis freeze on a carbed bike once which was not fun. This meant ride 8 miles until expansion froze passageways again, stop, let engine heat rise and thaw carb...rinse and repeat. This problem may have been particular to that bike and that day (Kawi 500R, 32* ride from Houston to College Station)....but it was not fun at all.

My Triumph Daytona never gave me as much as a hiccup, but I only rode it 10K miles. My little brother has that many on his new ZX6R, does track days, and rides like an asshat one any strip of asphalt he doesn't see cars on, and his bike stay running in great shape.

It's really hard to go wrong with modern mainstream bikes, but they do require more work to keep them roadworthy. Generally sportier bikes require more frequent work, and it is harder or will cost more.
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You're probably not going to like it, but the ak-47 of bikes is the Honda rebel 250. Unchanged for 30ish years, near zero maintanence required.
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If you want to go faster, buy a faster bike, don't try to make an SV into something it's not.
Wait a minute, you just posted this on a forum that is dedicated to turning 90hp Miatas into something that they are not. So, we should just buy a faster car? I'm doing it all wrong...
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Wait a minute, you just posted this on a forum that is dedicated to turning 90hp Miatas into something that they are not. So, we should just buy a faster car? I'm doing it all wrong...
I have no idea how I missed that. Great point none the less.

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Most bikes need pretty frequent valve adjustments, there are a few models that don't, but I can't remember any off the top of my head beside Harleys.

Bike tires last about like full on race tires on a Miata, so be prepared. Maintenance is a lot more frequent on a bike, and a bike should be maintained as well as a plane IMHO. This was one of the things that killed my wife: I ALWAYS needed something for the bike...chain, tires, brakes, valve shims....something.
Frequent valve adjustment? are you serious? How frequent are we talking here?

How long do full on race tires last on a miata, if its at least 10k miles then thats not a problem at all.

How long do brakes last, say you arent driving the bike everywhere like youre at the track? Same for chains?

What about the Buells with the belt drives? More reliable or similar?

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You're probably not going to like it, but the ak-47 of bikes is the Honda rebel 250. Unchanged for 30ish years, near zero maintanence required.
Meh, I dont mind. I got nothing to prove. Tbh, I had a great time on the Suzuki GZ250.

Does this apply to the CB400 and CB750 as well or is it especially the 250 thats the reliable one?

What about old boxer engined BMW's?
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