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Old 05-29-2007, 12:38 PM   #41
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No automagic trans in the MSP.
I know, and I'll compromise on that. What about the mp3?


How much for the IS, and do you have the stock wheels?
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I know, and I'll compromise on that. What about the mp3?


How much for the IS, and do you have the stock wheels?
MP3 was the same story. And the MP3 wasn't much better than the regular protege as far as I'm concerned. You got some blingy wheels and slightly better suspension. I'd buy a P5 before an MP3.
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Old 05-29-2007, 01:08 PM   #43
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MP3 was the same story. And the MP3 wasn't much better than the regular protege as far as I'm concerned. You got some blingy wheels and slightly better suspension. I'd buy a P5 before an MP3.
I am torn between the msp and the p5. I've got a deal working on a blue p5 right now for $6700 at 71k miles.

What do I need to look for on these, aside from basic used car bs?
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The P5's had bad front wheel bearing, they go ~50K. Rumor is that there was a problem in the factory with the tool setting.
They're ~$40, (and pressed in), and it's easier to remove the entire control arm then to loosen and disconnect the lower ball joint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just put a jack under the front wheel and give it a wiggle, if there is any play at all, it's probably the wheel bearing.

There was also an ECU reflash in 2003, cold starting issue.
Also a VICS recall for certain years, basically they locktite the screws on the butterfly valves so they don't endup passing through the motor in-- you can usually find them in the cat screen

Up north they rust really fast, mine has been in 2x for rust warrantee work, now they won't touch it.

Stock they handle pretty good, but feel geo metro slooow...
The good part is, you can buy the MSP manifold, ECU, Turbo, slap it on and have your MSP power.

Not sure how much power mine makes, but the stock clutch didn't hold 10psi on my little .60/.48 T3

Subaru is the official state car in VT, Lot's of my family members and friends have them. they're pretty solid cars for the first 120K or so (then its time for a new one anyways ---SALT ===RUST).
Working on a STI as we speak...
The only major problem was ~2000 or so (google finds it pretty easy) Subaru put the wrong antifreeze (too much phosphate?) in the cars and the HG's are prone to failure. (Saab went through the same issue in the 80's) so much for people paying attention in history class...
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Old 05-29-2007, 03:15 PM   #45
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ask corky if he has any Flyin' Protege kits lying around
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new as in the lasest design, yes the 2.5L Turbo. You should be able to find a '05 model with low mileage for under 20k....
I wouldn't call under 20k relatively cheap, especially for this forum given that the OP was looking at 8-9k.

It is a great car and I'd trade my FXT for a less modded auto in a second.

Newbsauce, any more info on your IS300?

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I hope I'm not insulting anyone with this suggestion, but what about a mitsu lancer ralliart. 2.4 liter 167HP Mivec. Also they come in auto. I saw one run a 14.9 stock in bradenton FL. (MT) So i imagine they would be somewhat fun to drive. Also they are availible low mileage for under 10K. miles < 30K miles. And carry a 100K mi warranty.
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I hope I'm not insulting anyone with this suggestion, but what about a mitsu lancer ralliart. 2.4 liter 167HP Mivec. Also they come in auto. I saw one run a 14.9 stock in bradenton FL. (MT) So i imagine they would be somewhat fun to drive. Also they are availible low mileage for under 10K. miles < 30K miles. And carry a 100K mi warranty.
I want something reliable, not a mitsu. I'm tired of constantly working on cars.
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+1 for the P5

My buddy had one, I loved it. He traded it in and then regretted it. He ended up selling the car he got and is back in a protege, not a P5 though.
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msprotege.com has people who have come to the realization all the time. There are about 3 for sale at any given time there. Watch out for the 2003-2003.5 which have a weak diff whose casing cracks.
My buddy has a 2003, you can weld the diff in the areas where it is prone to crack ahead of time and prevent these. He runs NASA time trials with it, pretty fast little car.

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I wouldn't call under 20k relatively cheap, especially for this forum given that the OP was looking at 8-9k.

It is a great car and I'd trade my FXT for a less modded auto in a second.

Newbsauce, any more info on your IS300?

Frank
Its still here... Most OEM parts, no wheels. And I'm talking with a guy right now who is lookin to buy it without the in-car PC.
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+1 for the P5

My buddy had one, I loved it. He traded it in and then regretted it. He ended up selling the car he got and is back in a protege, not a P5 though.
If I don't get an auto p5, I'll get an MSP. The MSP looks so much better. I would ideally like to get a p5 decked out in msp regalia, but I won't spend any cash on it.
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If I don't get an auto p5, I'll get an MSP. The MSP looks so much better. I would ideally like to get a p5 decked out in msp regalia, but I won't spend any cash on it.
Maybe I should just sell you mine... My daughter lives down in Allen, TX so I'm sure I could get it there, it's only ~1683 miles.

You'd have to learn how to drive a stick though :gay:
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Maybe I should just sell you mine... My daughter lives down in Allen, TX so I'm sure I could get it there, it's only ~1683 miles.

You'd have to learn how to drive a stick though :gay:
Is it tough to learn how to drive a manual?
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I absolutely loved my WRX it was unbelievably reliable, fast, and amazingly fun to own and drive everyday. I swapped it to STi struts and espelir springs, but it still didn't handle all that great - lots of body roll and some slop in the steering. Sways and steering rack bushing would have solved most of that though.

I am now driving an MP3 and it is a great car. It handles better than the WRX ever dreamed to. It feels lighter and more tossable. The downside is that it has no power in comparison. 130 hp is enough that I am never woried about passing or anything I just wish for another 100 hp. Mazdaspeed turbo kits can be bought all the time for about a grand. So buy a low mileage MP3 for 7-8K + MSP turbo kit for 1K and have a cheap MSP. Heck, I'll sell you my 56K mile MP3 for 8K... I need a tow vehicle anyway. (I think I am buying a boat.
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i'm just gonna throw this one out there: honda cr-v.

if it's your daily driver, it'll be reliable and versatile. boring, but it'll run and run.

the wife and i looked at them because we wanted a wagon. i wanted a wrx or is300 wagon. i found out the is300 wagon was no larger than the civic si it was replacing. we got a pilot. she loves it. i wish we had bought the lexus. feh. it's her car.
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I owned a P5. They look good and handle really well. I moved 3 times using one. Here's mine
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GRM turned a legacy into a cheap Rally car didn't they?
Get a legacy, use it as a daily while building the miata, then once the miata is up and running conver the legacy into a SCCA rally beast.
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