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Old 07-21-2009, 10:23 AM   #41
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That's the strangest thread I've ever read. Seriously.

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Just saw this, that's how much I've messed with my brain! What was I/were you referring?
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Old 07-21-2009, 11:00 AM   #42
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What really ticks my *ish is that we (the peasants of m.net )are expect to act civil and resolve issues, but when the all high and mighty funk up... they don't have to take responsibility. I would have really liked an apology from Don for that fuckup of a comment.

Yeah, it's probably good I didn't go to MiataWorld... there is a 100% chance that I would have taken the issue toe-to-toe with him..and video taped it for later youtube lulz.

I dare you to bring that up with them Sav....and if you don.. I will refer to you as Vag from now on
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Old 07-21-2009, 11:32 AM   #43
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the only real gripe I have is with select sponsors that use every thread to push their products. The membership is what truly ruins that forum.
I wonder if the sponsors are doing this to try and recoup their sponsorship/advertising dollars. IIRC it is approx $300 a month to advertise on Miata.net.

I believe we get a year of advertising for that price here on MiataTurbo.net
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I wonder if the sponsors are doing this to try and recoup their sponsorship/advertising dollars. IIRC it is approx $300 a month to advertise on Miata.net.

I believe we get a year of advertising for that price here on MiataTurbo.net
Guys, IT'S A BUSINESS, just like the majority of internet forums... even this one, although it's not as big and populated by a different crowd. Miata.net is only one of several websites owned by EUNOS Communications LLC. Eunos Communications LLC Anything that's bad for business has got to go. I don't know how much of an enthusiast Gary is, but he's definitely not a gearhead. Everything I know about him says he's a computer geek with a slight Miata habit... and he's probably ******* rich. I count 40 sponsors at $300/month= $12k/month plus eBay advertising and probably a few other thing we don't know about. Bandwith is not that expensive... Gary is making a ******* fortune... and I applaud enthusiastically his savvy.

However,
As an enthusiast, I feel a bit obligated to help fellow enthusiasts whenever I can. I would hope somebody would tell me when I was about to make a mistake with my enthusiast dollar, or at least ensure I had all the information before making a purchase. I would suspect that some of the Mod staff at m.net consider themselves Miata enthusiasts... but (Sav notwithstanding) are not automotive enthusiasts in general. They can talk page-by-page about the Moss catalog, but don't have any idea how a camshaft works or what offset is, just like the m.net masses... and it works to a certain point. That point is reached when somebody passes bad technical information, the mods don't have a clue, in steps MT.net in "UN-***" mode... and there you go. If the mods were a bit better informed, perhaps there cold be a bit more "post editing" and a bit less "thread closing". Sav is the only one I see editing posts to keep the discussion going... everybody else simply closes them


UNFAG MODE:
When you have ------y girl car that was aimed to sell to girls and ****, and throw in a bunch of male non-**** trying to un-*** it... people trying to *** it back up on the internet is going to result in a bunch of *** name-calling. M.net vs. MT.net, the end.
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Old 07-22-2009, 12:37 AM   #45
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Sure it's a business, but MT.net doesn't feel like one. It is known there are sponsors here, and people are still free to voice their concerns. No company is perfect, and when they screw up they generally get called out around here. What if Powercard was an MT.net sponsor? (just an example) How long would that last? If bashing said sponsor and their products weren't allowed, how many of us would stick around?
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What if Powercard was an MT.net sponsor? (just an example) How long would that last?
They are, sort of.

PowerCard Tuning is not a standalone business. It's simply a product line that's made by Dobeck Performance for Moss Motors under an OEM private-label agreement, and sold only by Moss (and by FFS, in partnership with Moss.)

Since Moss is a sponsor, PowerCard is a sponsor. FFS (Tom) used to be a sponsor as well, and many of you may recall the mega-thread a couple years ago that resulted in both my current avatar as well as (indirectly) FFS pulling their sponsorship.
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See? Didn't last long.

Didn't know that about Powercard though, but Moss sells so many other things that I doubt our mocking of the PCpro would affect their sponsorship.
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Since Moss is a sponsor, PowerCard is a sponsor. FFS (Tom) used to be a sponsor as well, and many of you may recall the mega-thread a couple years ago that resulted in both my current avatar as well as (indirectly) FFS pulling their sponsorship.
And MANY MANY Previous.



My problem with m.net is the gestapo style of moderation I've seen, or maybe its just me and what I've posted. They've deleted and changed some of the dumbest **** in posts I've made over there, and of course their over protective stand about any sponsor.. Thats pretty gay honestly if you've had a bad experience with one you can't even discuss it with the community.

Honestly I really don't care. I never visit that board anymore anyway, quite frankly I don't have time. Do agree with some of the other posts on here about 9 million threads about one single topic. Just go search for Coilovers and you'll see my point. Theres like 2000 pages of just that.
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Guys, IT'S A BUSINESS, just like the majority of internet forums... even this one, although it's not as big and populated by a different crowd. Miata.net is only one of several websites owned by EUNOS Communications LLC. Eunos Communications LLC Anything that's bad for business has got to go. I don't know how much of an enthusiast Gary is, but he's definitely not a gearhead. Everything I know about him says he's a computer geek with a slight Miata habit... and he's probably ******* rich. I count 40 sponsors at $300/month= $12k/month plus eBay advertising and probably a few other thing we don't know about. Bandwith is not that expensive... Gary is making a ******* fortune... and I applaud enthusiastically his savvy.
I'll actually defend Gary a bit here. He started miata.net quite some time ago and I doubt he was making money on it for many of the early years. Remember, computer **** used to be expensive, bandwidth was too, and I'm sure he could make more money consulting than running and working on Miata.net in its infancy. I'm sure it's a cash cow at this point, but I don't even know if he started it as a money making venture instead of an online resource to other enthusiasts.

I'm not saying he's a gearhead as he is a computer geek, but when my 90 was totalled and I bought it back from the insurance co, I was looking for a replacement to swap all my **** over. His original 90 was for sale at the time. I bought it from him and he had every record of service, all boxes, receipts, window sticker, etc. and the car was in pristine condition.

As to the original post, I really don't have a problem with M.net. There is quite a bit of traffic so you're going to get a high redundancy rate for every retard that just learned how to get on the internet. That said, I do only really hang in the conversion forum, and moderators rarely have to venture into that forum as we do a good job scaring people away who post stupid questions. And we hammer people with questions that have been asked 100 times over.

Agree with ZX-Tex. Catman is a douche and I love when Jeff Anderson brings science to Catman's bullshit.

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FFS (Tom) used to be a sponsor as well...

you didnt notice he's back as a sponsor?
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you didnt notice he's back as a sponsor?
No, I didn't. OTOH, I didn't notice that Gord had been ousted as a mod either. Guess I need to spend more time at M.net and less time at MT?
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You know the way I see it, the forum starting point for alot of people is Miata.net. Granted to us who've been around for a while, the majority of things that **** us off are because we've been around and seen like 99% of the same questions and threads over and over again.

The more knowledgable people get, and the direction they go with there cars, then the other forums like Miataturbo.net and Clubroadster.net open up for exploring and posting.

I think the really really strict means in which the mods either

A. Lock threads faster than a heartbeat
B. Ban some us us from the forum
C. Defend sponsors like they **** and crap gold

is because we, knowing the things we do and seeing the things we do everyday on other forums, get mad at the noobs for positng the same crap over and over and the mods for letting it go and defending the stupidity over and over. I think all these forums have there place and I see Miata.net as the place for noobs to learn the basics and even some advanced stuff as well.

Case in point, let noobs come here and try there stupid questions. Thats a no no. Why, because this forum is more for people who are past dumb intake questions and the like.

Let noobs go on Clubroadster to ask about 0 offset wheels and JDM stuff. Thats ok because thats what that forum caters to.

Let noobs ask their questions on miata.net. They are coddled, and accepted for it because IMO, thats what that forum is for. There are regular posters on there that are always happy to help the noobs are pretty damn knowledgable in the first place. MarkP and others come to mind.

So just let the place be what it is for who it is and stay where your comfortable.
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Agree with ZX-Tex. Catman is a douche and I love when Jeff Anderson brings science to Catman's bullshit.
They're both douches. you just have to read between JA's lines to see he's a condescending *****.
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I don't like going to a forum where the administrator proudly calls himself the "Zookeeper". What is implied is that he runs a zoo, and members of the zoo are the forum posters, AKA the "animals". We are in essence an animal in the eyes of the almighty Gary F. His moderators are also his fellow zoo keeper, helping to keep the zoo animals tame by editing posts, closing threads, and being a PITA.

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They're both douches. you just have to read between JA's lines to see he's a condescending *****.
Yeah but JA only seems to be a condescending ***** to Catman. Catman is the typical IASCA attendee from 1990 who paid for a bunch of high priced stuff and is now an "expert". I guarantee I could swap my $50 amps for his McIntoshes and he couldn't tell the difference.

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Yeah but JA only seems to be a condescending ***** to Catman. Catman is the typical IASCA attendee from 1990 who paid for a bunch of high priced stuff and is now an "expert". I guarantee I could swap my $50 amps for his McIntoshes and he couldn't tell the difference.

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Catman is a leather *** who drives a Miata (I'm sure Hustler knows him). He's been "vocal" about his swinging BDSM lifestyle on m.net before. He's a tool who probably frequents gay glory holes at gas stations.
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one of the mods pwnd catman
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one of the mods pwnd catman
Loving the MT presence and bumping the debate back up
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one of the mods pwnd catman
Mega smackdown, love it. I had to jump in on that action. What a douche.



OK well anyway per the OP I have strayed away from focusing on m.net members and not the management. However, though he explicitly took off his mod hat when he did it, I think the mod stepping in on the discussion and handling it the way he did was a stellar example of how to deal with a douche. He could have just hit him with the ban stick, but instead put a lot of thought into his response.

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Mega smackdown, love it. I had to jump in on that action. What a douche.



OK well anyway per the OP I have strayed away from focusing on m.net members and not the management. However, though he explicitly took off his mod hat when he did it, I think the mod stepping in on the discussion and handling it the way he did was a stellar example of how to deal with a douche. He could have just hit him with the ban stick, but instead put a lot of thought into his response.
Holy **** did he. LMAO!
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