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Old 07-30-2014, 12:06 PM   #1
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Default Why don't I want a Subaru?

I have car ADD.
I want another turbo car, that's not FWD this time (although my Speed 3 was a fun car).
I don't want a BMW.
I've always wanted a boost buggy.

EVO X is out since there is only one Mitsu dealer in the state and they are ~120 miles away.

Looking at picking up a 2015 WRX or WRX STi toward the end of the year. (Although I wonder if Subaru is going to release a 2.5L FA engine for the STi in 2016)

Are the stories of broken ring lands and toasted motors more overblown internet hype? Is it safe to assume with a good tune and an exhaust you aren't going to send your motor to Subaru heaven?
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15's are really new and kinda uncharted territory. nothing like the previous EJ's.

the ecu definitions just got released, and the aftermarket is just now starting to pick up for them.

Pretty cool car though, even if it looks absolutely butt ugly from the side/rear. Lots of new tech on the 15's: direct injection, 6 speed on the wrx, FA20 engine, twin scroll, stiffer chassis, lots of really cool things.

or were you considering any subaru? cause I can ramble your ear off about the older ones. 15's not as much, we're all still learning about those
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15's are really new and kinda uncharted territory. nothing like the previous EJ's.

the ecu definitions just got released, and the aftermarket is just now starting to pick up for them.

Pretty cool car though, even if it looks absolutely butt ugly from the side/rear. Lots of new tech on the 15's: direct injection, 6 speed on the wrx, FA20 engine, twin scroll, stiffer chassis, lots of really cool things.

or were you considering any subaru? cause I can ramble your ear off about the older ones. 15's not as much, we're all still learning about those
Yeah, the WRX is the new FA, but the STi is still the old EJ, correct? Those are pretty well-known at this point, right?

I'd consider a slightly older STi, mainly if I could find a hatchback, but it seems that around here the prices are so close to new for a lightly used "non-brodeo" STi, it seems worth it to go ahead and buy new.

But please, ramble my ear off. You may convince me to look for a used one.
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because used is always better?
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if buying new I'd probably try the wrx. way way better mpg, lots more lowend grunt, also has 6 speed (not same as sti, but still).

honestly the prices are absurd, and I think you have it right: rather than "saving" only like 1k over new with a 15k-20k mile used car, I'd probably just buy new.

just keep your eyes open for really good deals, cause that's the only way I'd get a used one.

they're fun cars. I'm sure you've seen the numerous threads and posts I've made here about them, as well as our unofficial "subaru section" lol.
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because used is always better?
until you open CL to find 30k mile GR/GV's selling for 27k

LOLLLLL
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See the practical side says the WRX Limited would make a great DD.

But the lack of real LSD's, Brembo's, etc, make me pine for the ricer version. The plan would still be to do a few track days a year and do some Auto-X, as well as drive it to work everyday.

That's what makes me want to pony up for the STi.
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if you want to track it then yes, the sti might be the better choice.
then do a few things that are pretty much mandatory:
tune
killerb oil pickup and baffle
proper catch can/aos setup

all 3 are critical if you want it to hold together
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until you open CL to find 30k mile GR/GV's selling for 27k

LOLLLLL
oh, that's crazy.
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if you want to track it then yes, the sti might be the better choice.
then do a few things that are pretty much mandatory:
tune
killerb oil pickup and baffle
proper catch can/aos setup

all 3 are critical if you want it to hold together
Any other things? Suggestions on tunes, or just make the drive down to Plano and let COBB do it?
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If you're near cobb, you can't go wrong with cobb protune. As long as its not a canned OTS tune.

That's really all I can think of to start with. Everything else is more of a want, not need.
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Yeah, I'm up in Tulsa, so Cobb is only about a 3.5-4 hour drive. It would be worth it to go to a shop that knows what they are doing.

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well flowing turboback, 3port bcs, and tune and you're "stage2" and pick up 60ish hp and 80ish tq on pump gas. add e85 and make even more. then start chucking bigger turbos, intercoolers, yadda yadda it never stops.

long block should be good to about 400 give or take and depending on use/abuse.

if you want a track monster an evo is probably a better platform, but around town they don't even compare.


*edit: a really easy/solid setup to me is a basic stage2+e85. last GR STi I tuned like that made 350/400, simple, easy, quick.
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Yeah I was thinking TBE + Tune = big boost in power and response without compromising longevity/reliability? Is that a safe assumption? When you say the longblock is good to 400ish, is that whp or crank?

As far as bigger turbo's/intercoolers/etc, no thanks. If I go drop nearly $40k on my DD it needs to be RELIABLE.


Don't need a track monster. Just something I can take out a few times per year and not have to worry about grenading it.
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yep, about as reliable as it gets with mods.
whp
I don't think subaru's get too much unreliable until you go past the 400 mark

on pump gas 300/330 should be solid.
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on pump gas 300/330 should be solid.
Nice, with the extra low-end and mid grunt, that should put as fast or faster than my '13 GT, which is exactly what I want.

The NC is fun to throw around, but I have hard time imaging $6-7k for a super/turbo setup on that car.

Any suggestions for brands of EBC or TBE?
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I always wanted a wrx/sti. Then I got one and it was cool and all for a little while. But I'm bored of the crappy ride and tank like handling and otherwise heavy feeling. The whole 26mpg on the highway thing is also shitty. Every time I drive it I keep thinking, "I could have bought a 4th gen f-body for the same money, made more power, got better gas mileage, had the same handling and not had ever flat brimmer and high schooler try to talk to me about my car."

And then you have me show you this comparison of buying new, with more or less the way I would order.
Subaru WRX | The New 2015 WRX
Looks like subarus sharing thing is messed up, its a base WRX with STi wheels, sti front and side lip kit, and the sti shifter.

vs
http://bp3.ford.com/2015-Ford-Mustang/MakeItYours/Config[%7CFord%7CMustang%7C2015%7C1%7C1%5E%7C100A%5EP8T%5 E%5EYZ%5E%5E883%5ECOU%5E67E%5E44X%5E~YZKAA%5EV6%5E LESS%5E]?fmccmp=sharethis&zipcode=01608&imagetoken=Image[|Ford|Mustang|2015|1|1^|100A^P8T^^YZ^^883^LTS^COU^ 67E^642^44X^V6^LESS^891^13D^53H^]&usecookiezip=true
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The NC is fun to throw around, but I have hard time imaging $6-7k for a super/turbo setup on that car.
But I can justify $40k on a completely new car
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I always wanted a wrx/sti. Then I got one and it was cool and all for a little while. But I'm bored of the crappy ride and tank like handling and otherwise heavy feeling. The whole 26mpg on the highway thing is also shitty. Every time I drive it I keep thinking, "I could have bought a 4th gen f-body for the same money, made more power, got better gas mileage, had the same handling and not had ever flat brimmer and high schooler try to talk to me about my car."

And then you have me show you this comparison of buying new, with more or less the way I would order.
Subaru WRX | The New 2015 WRX
Looks like subarus sharing thing is messed up, its a base WRX with STi wheels, sti front and side lip kit, and the sti shifter.

vs
http://bp3.ford.com/2015-Ford-Mustang/MakeItYours/Config[%7CFord%7CMustang%7C2015%7C1%7C1%5E%7C100A%5EP8T%5 E%5EYZ%5E%5E883%5ECOU%5E67E%5E44X%5E~YZKAA%5EV6%5E LESS%5E]?fmccmp=sharethis&zipcode=01608&imagetoken=Image[|Ford|Mustang|2015|1|1^|100A^P8T^^YZ^^883^LTS^COU^ 67E^642^44X^V6^LESS^891^13D^53H^]&usecookiezip=true

umm, ok.
if you would pick an f body over a subaru then I won't even waste time responding to this stupid post.
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if you would pick an f body over a subaru then I won't even waste time responding to this stupid post.
Interior quality and chassis dynamics sophistication are both at the same levels.
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