Originally Posted by Ryan_G (Post 1152861)

But I can justify $40k on a completely new car :jerkit:

Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 1152860)

I always wanted a wrx/sti. Then I got one and it was cool and all for a little while. But I'm bored of the crappy ride and tank like handling and otherwise heavy feeling. The whole 26mpg on the highway thing is also shitty. Every time I drive it I keep thinking, "I could have bought a 4th gen f-body for the same money, made more power, got better gas mileage, had the same handling and not had ever flat brimmer and high schooler try to talk to me about my car."

And then you have me show you this comparison of buying new, with more or less the way I would order.
Subaru WRX | The New 2015 WRX
Looks like subarus sharing thing is messed up, its a base WRX with STi wheels, sti front and side lip kit, and the sti shifter.

vs
http://bp3.ford.com/2015-Ford-Mustang/MakeItYours/Config[%7CFord%7CMustang%7C2015%7C1%7C1%5E%7C100A%5EP8T%5 E%5EYZ%5E%5E883%5ECOU%5E67E%5E44X%5E~YZKAA%5EV6%5E LESS%5E]?fmccmp=sharethis&zipcode=01608&imagetoken=Image[|Ford|Mustang|2015|1|1^|100A^P8T^^YZ^^883^LTS^COU^ 67E^642^44X^V6^LESS^891^13D^53H^]&usecookiezip=true

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1152866)

Totes brah.
Leafy will always be Leafy.

Get an f-body brah. Can't go wrong.

Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 1152904)

will be WAY easier to put an EFR on and get better gas mileage and handle better and look better.

Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1152905)

I guess you skipped the part where I said stuff like changing turbo's/intercoolers/etc wouldn't be happening on the DD.

Just the small stuff.

Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1152901)

And your point?

I don't really want to have $20k+ tied up in a $10k car.

Everyone has different priorities. :dealwithit:

Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 1152904)

Lol whatever. Wasnt the real point of the post. It was more of. Optioned to my preference a new ecoboost mustang and a new wrx cost the same, and the mustang is better looking and lighter. The both fill his, car with boost that isnt fwd request. And the mustang will probably make more power "stage 2" and will be WAY easier to put an EFR on and get better gas mileage and handle better and look better.

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1152913)

....don't Leafy up yet another thread please.
We're talking about real cars and mods here. There are a billion cars better than a billion other cars. A subaru is nowhere near the top of "best of" list, but this is not a hypothetical thread where we dream of different cars we've never even driven, and talk about mods not even out for them, and potential not even discovered yet.

Originally Posted by Sparetire (Post 1152986)

My beef with EJs and probably the new F stuff is that I have never seen it do anything a modern aluminum block I-4 can't. And the I-4 does it with just 1 cylinder head and two cams and manifolds that don't look like a drunk metal sculptors attempt at spiders. If I am going to deal with all that crap I want a lot of displacement and the ability to make 500+ WHP without having to dick with 25+ psi tuning on pump. And I want actual top end power.

I would take a 4G63 over any EJ ever, and I bet I will say the same for a 4B11 or even K24 over the new F stuff.

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1153007)

correct: placement, packaging, and configuration is the name of the game.

Not power potential.

Not a whole lot of 4 cyl engines can touch the peak power potential of a 4G63 or K. But you don't see everyone and their mother driving them, and there's a reason for that. Again, I just want to be clear that we're all on the same page: a subaru is not the best at anything. But its good at a whole lot of things.

Originally Posted by Sparetire (Post 1152986)

My beef with EJs and probably the new F stuff is that I have never seen it do anything a modern aluminum block I-4 can't. And the I-4 does it with just 1 cylinder head and two cams and manifolds that don't look like a drunk metal sculptors attempt at spiders. If I am going to deal with all that crap I want a lot of displacement and the ability to make 500+ WHP without having to dick with 25+ psi tuning on pump. And I want actual top end power.

I would take a 4G63 over any EJ ever, and I bet I will say the same for a 4B11 or even K24 over the new F stuff.

Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 1153008)

Well I mean, theres a reason you dont see that and its not because the engines arent good, its because they were all put in either crappy or expensive chassis. Subarus make much better daily drivers than Evos and they're a bunch cheaper too boot. If the k20/24 was put in a rwd chassis that was designed by honda circa 1986 engineers you'd see them all over the place.

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1153013)

drive an evoX around town and get back to me lol
I laughed hysterically the last time I drove one because of how painful it was. wost...daily...ever. in every sense of the word. and the one I drove we tuned to 330whp with bolt ons, wasn't even stock. no torque til 4500ish and when it finally comes on its so uneventful. aside from seats and wheel, interior was on par with dodge neon. and even the seats aren't comfy, just hold you down well.

Great track car though.

(and the X is an absolute pig at 3500lb)

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1153017)

many blow up DUE to the stock map.
which is hilarious.
and why tune was the 1st thing I listed.

it basically keeps car in closed loop and running mid 13's AFR all the way up to about 4k

because smog

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1153017)

many blow up DUE to the stock map.
which is hilarious.
and why tune was the 1st thing I listed.

it basically keeps car in closed loop and running mid 13's AFR all the way up to about 4k

because smog