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Old 11-01-2009, 02:56 PM   #21
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What did Rharris run (yellow stroker) on Friday? Post your setup please. I did a 2:07 in April of 08 in my POS Spec Miata no drafting...I'm faster now.
I did horribly. My car was overheating like crazy and I am trying to figure out why. DoubleO86 looked fast out there, so I know he was turning times faster than me, when I was able to actually be out there.

I will hopefully make it to a few events next year, schedule permitting.
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I did a 2:07 in April of 08 in my POS Spec Miata no drafting...I'm faster now.
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...I plan to run a sub 2:00...
Less talky and more action, please.

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Old 11-01-2009, 05:57 PM   #23
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The challenge has been accepted. I want to beat my personal best lap there, a 1:57 on an SV-650. The car should be capable of sub 2:00 lap times; the question is, is the software as good as the hardware?

So I also need to get my NASA license. Maybe they will cut me some slack since I have an Expert CMRA license. Is a full cage needed for Time Trials? When I added up the points, it looked like I would be in TTU, based on the adjusted P/W ratio. I know we are not going to use the NASA TT rules to class the Challenge, but we do need to be able to get on their track.

Based on my read of the NASA TT rules and the NASA CCR it looks like a roll bar with padding is good enough as long as it meets their requirements.
http://www.nasa-tt.com/Rules

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The car should be capable of sub 2:00 lap times; the question is, is the software as good as the hardware?
I know what you mean. My car is a sub two minute lapper, but I'm a 2:04 driver.
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Old 11-01-2009, 07:18 PM   #25
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Let' talk about what I need to do about licensing (if I don't give up on this car). I know NASA is open passing in the TT class, but what if I don't have a cage?

I'm down for MSR-C, ECR, and Hallett races pending reliability. I also live about 45-minutes from ECR and 75-minutes from MSR-C and have a somewhat comfy sofa for 1.
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The challenge has been accepted. I want to beat my personal best lap there, a 1:57 on an SV-650. The car should be capable of sub 2:00 lap times; the question is, is the software as good as the hardware?

So I also need to get my NASA license. Maybe they will cut me some slack since I have an Expert CMRA license. Is a full cage needed for Time Trials? When I added up the points, it looked like I would be in TTU, based on the adjusted P/W ratio. I know we are not going to use the NASA TT rules to class the Challenge, but we do need to be able to get on their track.

Based on my read of the NASA TT rules and the NASA CCR it looks like a roll bar with padding is good enough as long as it meets their requirements.
NASA Time Trial
you'll get right in with your motorcycle racing license. to get classed properly, you need to email greenbaum. (nasaforums.com • Index page) but you need to weigh your car (competition weight=your car+you) and you can't weigh under whatever comp. weight you claim. also need to dyno your car and can't make more power than that or your dq'd. dyno prolly wouldn't be checked unless you win at nationals. but they can make you get on the scales at any event. especially if someone complains. (if your killing everybody in your class).

just so everybody knows, you can run hpde (1,2,3,or 4) and run the challenge. you don't have to be in time trials. group 4 is pretty much same rules as tt. fast cars on track too.
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You will need to rent an amb transponder for $40 iirc.
NASA prints out the laptimes (every lap, every driver) of every session a few minutes after the session ends.
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Just so everybody knows, you can run HPDE (1, 2, 3,or 4) and run the Challenge. You don't have to be in Time Trials.
So, I can show up as simply an HPDE participant, rent an 'amb transponder' and NASA will record all my laps?

If it's as easy as that, I think that's the way to go. No need to obtain a license and get put in a class with Porsches, 350Z's, Evo's, and STI's.
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you don't really need a license for time trial, just get signed off on it. you only need a competition license for actual wheel to wheel racing (i.e. american iron, spec miata, spec e30, gts (german touring series) etc....)

the higher de run groups have all sorts of fast cars, just like tt. hpde4 is basically racecraft prep.

time trial info: NASA TEXAS RACING // OFFICIAL SITE

hpde info: http://www.nasatxracing.com/about_hpde.php
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HPDE 1, 2, 3, and 4 are all point by on straights no passing in corners. TT is not a race (to Nasa) you are out there for your fastest time. You can pass anywhere but aggressive race passing (dive bombing etc) is super uncalled for as its not a race. There is no special liscense for TT. If you already have a race liscense they will probably start you in TT, maybe 1 watched session in 4...no idea. This really needs to be in a totally seperate thread.

Nasa is awesome in that a complete newb can come out and run in HPDE 1 by the end of the year he might be running NASA TT. The point is that everyone gets to run, which gives them Miata Challange points. Lets keep the other stuff like NASA TT etc out of this so people don't think you have to run W2W, caged, race liscense, etc to compete in Miata Challange. If anyone has NASA specific questions start a NASA ? thread and Spoolin2bars and myself will try to help. I think I've ran NASA for 2 years and Spoolin2bars 3 years.

Not trying to be a dick or sound like I know it all just not wanting to thread jack this sweet thread, NASA ?'s could fill pages

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Old 11-03-2009, 12:18 PM   #30
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Lets keep the other stuff like NASA TT etc out of this so people don't think you have to run W2W, caged, race liscense, etc to compete in Miata Challange.
If you mean me I was not trying to hijack the thread to determine what I needed to run in NASA TT. The point of my question was to make sure we all understood what the requirements were for us to show up and run at a NASA event FOR the Miata Challenge. Plus if I understood correctly, there could be at least one event where there would be no HPDE on that weekend and we would have to run in a TT, or at least in practice, to get times. That is what I meant when I said we have to meet their requirements to participate in their event.

At any rate, question answered. Thanks. It is good to know my 'track' car is ready to go once I get it reassembled.
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Oh not anyone specific. I'm sure everyone who hasn't ever ran with NASA will have questions. The problem is everyone will have a different questions and answers depending on their experience. There is one important thing to remember, EVERYONE CAN RUN from the never tracked noob to Speed World Challange driver. It's real easy, show up, pay, they class you by experience, rent amb, get times.

As far as NASA TT its cool if you want to run in it but NASA will be the one that decides if your ready. Get a driving resume in order so you can show your experience and they will either put you in TT or put you in 4 with a TT instructor for an evaluation on the first session.



Haha just saw your sig, I can't stand Mark Booth...what a ******* tool! I got into it with him last year about something else.

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Yeah it was over a discussion with another m.n tool, namely Catman; I called him an 'elitist *****' (which he is) and got my pee-pee whacked by Mark Booth. I thought the whole thing was pretty funny.
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If you mean me I was not trying to hijack the thread to determine what I needed to run in NASA TT. The point of my question was to make sure we all understood what the requirements were for us to show up and run at a NASA event FOR the Miata Challenge. Plus if I understood correctly, there could be at least one event where there would be no HPDE on that weekend and we would have to run in a TT, or at least in practice, to get times. That is what I meant when I said we have to meet their requirements to participate in their event.

At any rate, question answered. Thanks. It is good to know my 'track' car is ready to go once I get it reassembled.
nope, that had to do with only getting 3 sessions (hpde,tt or otherwise) due to an enduro on saturday, so it might not be worth it to run that day for some. so we will be running on sunday that weekend so everybody gets a full trackday. that's gonna be the april tws event.
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Ahhh OK got it. Thanks. I know a lot about the CMRA, but next to nothing about NASA as you can see
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just wanted to let you guys know, i've been contacted by a famous racer, representing a big time race prep/builder that wants to be involved with the texas miata challenge. this could mean a nice prize for series champions, or a dedicated track day or other wonderful things. but, i'm worried about turnout. we are going to see how the first 2 events turn out before making any plans with this great company. also, means we could possibly have other manufacturers, and shops jump on board if this one does. (i'm talkin' 25hrs. of thunderhill winners kind of big!) so please, just show up. you guys have nearly 3 months to get prepared, save cash etc...
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I really, really plan to be there. This is the sort of thing I am building this LS1 car for.
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I plan on being there too for most of the events barring anything major happening. I know I will be there for the MSR houston and TWS events. MSR cresson is a maybe, but everything else is about a 75% chance.
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Me too! this is going to be a sweet year of tracking in Tejas!
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If you haven't already, you should reach out to Gary at TDR (as a participant, not a sponsor). If he's down for the competition, he'll bring his band of supercharged drivers. Maybe Wags can pitch this to Gary.

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If you haven't already, you should reach out to Gary at TDR (as a participant, not a sponsor). If he's down for the competition, he'll bring his band of supercharged drivers. Maybe Wags can pitch this to Gary.

It takes a lot to get Gary to bring out his red car, but this might do it. I'm looking at a $2000 Chevy to pull my car if I can somehow make it stay together. Unfortunately Gary will whip my *** like a bitch...unless I've learned to drive recently, which may be the case. I'd love to get out there and run 18psi for a session at a TT.
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