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It's a wet track, numbnuts.
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He still doesn't recognize it was wet.
Video starts stating "The track wasn't too wet". WTF? Does he not notice the rain beading up the windshield and standing water everywhere on track LOL? |
He let go of the steering wheel right away. Wtf.
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It's always good to start your video off with a bad excuse.
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Yeah, he lost it long before any tire touched the grass. Numbnuts (and, numb ass).
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how come his late ass apex doesn't look like an early one like he says?
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Originally Posted by Dustin1824
(Post 1192743)
He still doesn't recognize it was wet.
Video starts stating "The track wasn't too wet". WTF? Does he not notice the rain beading up the windshield and standing water everywhere on track LOL? As well as saying that the track isn't "too wet, at the start of the video he says that he didn't loose control until he put a tire off into the saturated grass on turn 5, but in reality he lost control mid track, no where near an edge! Is this guy delusional? Keith |
I posted this in his comments in response to his explanation of events in the comments section:
Originally Posted by me being a dick
Ummm, no you didn't. You lost control mid track, no where near the left edge. You see this clearly in the video you posted. You also see standing water everywhere on the track. In the section of video you did in slowmo you can see where mid track you loose control and let go of the steering wheel... no where near the edge of the track. Are you off your medication?
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^^ What's more god awful, the driver or the "vette" ? :rolleyes:
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Vettes aren't slow, Vette drivers typically are.
Although it is shameful that my car will corner with a Vette given equivalent tires. The Vette needs a serious weight loss program to be the car it wants its drivers to think it is. |
I guess I was being too subtle. Let me try again: IT'S NOT A CORVETTE!
Unless it has had a Miata dash and engine transplanted into it. :giggle: |
Originally Posted by good2go
(Post 1193563)
I guess I was being too subtle. Let me try again: IT'S NOT A CORVETTE!
Unless it has had a Miata dash and engine transplanted into it. :giggle: |
So, this was posted up on Jalopnik, and the owner decided to explain/"apologise" for his behavior. I would bold the entire post, but I'll try to only hit the most ridiculous ones:
Hey guys, It was my car that was involved and a mistake was made. There were no intentions of doing anything out of the norm. In fact, you'll notice in the video that the car was going very slowly in front of the crowd. This was intentional because we've all watched too many YouTube videos of this sort of thing happening and wanted to make sure that nobody would get hurt should anything unexpected happen. Once the car was past the crowd the accelerator was pushed in a straight-line as I have done many times in the past when the rear snapped violently. The car was going ~30mph at that time. The car has been driven for 4700 miles and has been driven with DSC off many times including in the rain and never has the car snapped so violently just from accelerating. I chalk it up to several factors including cold temps (low 40s), cold tires and incorrect psi (more on that later) and of course driver error. More judicious use of the throttle should have been exercised. MDM mode was not used because MDM is too quick to intervene and cuts power prematurely (or maybe not). Usually when the rear breaks loose, it does so progressively and steering correction will suffice. However, you can see in the video that the front tires are turned slightly to the right indicating opposite lock was put on the steering trying to prevent the car from doing a complete 180 however there wasn't enough real estate to counter how violently it snapped - though admittedty the gravity of the snap required immediate full oppo lock which was misread. I'm not sure why some are saying that no steering input was made because it was - one could argue it should have been sooner but again usually a little wiggle just takes small steering input and power through not a full-on immediate opposite lock as was needed in such a big snap - to me it actually seemed like it was happening in slow-mo although the vid makes it seem like it happened so fast. As the car started to correct it became apparent that there was no way out except over the curb which is where I put on the brakes and tried to straightline the curb as much as possible to avoid hitting the curb at an angle which would cause a lot of damage and potentiality flip/roll the car. I've driven many high hp rwd cars including vipers, porsches, corvettes, and formula cars and I've graduated from formula racing schools and have years of training in advanced car control and plenty of track time. Heck I remember day one of Formula school, half of the first day was spent on the skid pad learning how to keep a car from spinning if you lose traction. Maybe I need a refresher since it's been awhile and I've been driving AWD Audis for the past few years. Some of those other RWD cars I mentioned will snap fiercely and you have to be on extremely high alert, however my experience with the M4 has been that it tends to not snap so viciously in a straight line - but this time I was wrong. I would caution anyone thinking that it can't happen to them (count me as previously one of those) that anyone can make a mistake. I'm thankful that nobody was injured from such a mistake. Surprisingly, the car seems to be driving just fine with the only damage being the right plastic guard underneath the bumper which can be seen in the video. Surprising I know. I mentioned earlier that I had incorrect PSI - let me explain. My PSI was low, so I inflated it a bit with a pump with an analog tire guage which of course is very imprecise compared to a digital gauge. I noticed that my right tire pressure was 1.5psi off of my left when viewing the PSI from the BMW onboard digital gauge (you can only do this while driving). However, as my car had been pulling to the right from day 1 of delivery (there's a big thread of many complaining about that on these forums). Miraculously, the car drifted to the right to a lesser extent with the right tire PSI being slightly higher than the left and so I was playing around with the idea of keeping it that way for a short time- however I knew that I needed to put the PSI equally across both tires but I just failed to do that before going to the meet. I have no idea if unequal PSI left to right contributed to the right rear spinning so differently than the left. Anyways, I know I'll be ridiculed and called an idiot (and rightfully so) but I think many of you also know that I didn't do anything intentionally out of the ordinary or unsafe. I'm not sure I was even trying to show off as acceleration happened when the car was past the crowd and it's not like a powerslide or burnout or anything of that sort occurred. I also think the M4 is a fine car and I have no complaints about the amount of power or torque or tire width or grip or anything. In fact, the whole reason I got the M4 is because it's not AWD and I like the rear moving around a bit. Mistakes happen and I've learned a lesson - and from now on will keep DSC on when driving around because there's too much at stake to make a mistake while driving - no matter how good or bad of a driver you are. Thanks for hearing me out. It certainly has been a humbling experience. That said, I'm going to make sure that the tire pressure in my Mazda2 isn't off by 1.5psi left-to-right (checking with my analog gauge because I'm a prole) so I don't careen into the median on my drive home today. :party: |
The only time I take traction control off is when I need some linear power application without it cutting to get out of an icy/snowy spot.
Other than that...that is why I built the Miata. Makes me more attentive to asshattery and being dumb when there is nothing to coddle my ass when I mess up. |
Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect
(Post 1193791)
So, this was posted up on Jalopnik, and the owner decided to explain/"apologise" for his behavior. I would bold the entire post, but I'll try to only hit the most ridiculous ones: ... btw, if this was in Blackhawk (aka Danville, CA.), then it was undoubtedly some spoiled rich kid trying to show off the new toy his daddy bought him for Xmas. :giggle: |
Well, he clearly outlined that he needed more gas in his post. His biggest weakness was also his biggest strength: giving it gas.
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Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect
(Post 1193791)
So, this was posted up on Jalopnik, and the owner decided to explain/"apologise" for his behavior. I would bold the entire post, but I'll try to only hit the most ridiculous ones:
video story Chalk up another one to "this has never happened before" while driving with DSC off. I know that when the Genesis Coupe came out, a bunch of 2 Fast 2 Furiouser people insisted on only driving with the traction control off, and that the same exact thing happened with the Toyobaru twins. I know that it's a "nanny" device and that people have a breadth of arguments about it; however, it fucking works and you're not Aryton Senna. That said, I'm going to make sure that the tire pressure in my Mazda2 isn't off by 1.5psi left-to-right (checking with my analog gauge because I'm a prole) so I don't careen into the median on my drive home today. :party: 10 words on why it was his fault. 10k words on why it wasn't his fault. hmmm. |
1.5 psi off is an excuse? Shit, when I was young and poor, I drove on tires with steel belts showing. Didn't cause me to spin out like a dumbass.
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"As the car started to correct it became apparent that there was no way out except over the curb which is where I put on the brakes and tried to straightline the curb as much as possible to avoid hitting the curb at an angle which would cause a lot of damage and potentiality flip/roll the car."
He almost manages to make it sound like (aside from the part about getting totally sideways at 30mph) he was in total control of the situation as he jumped the center divide. |
This thread is about track driving.
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