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Old 04-02-2009, 11:50 PM   #21
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thousands of hours tuning the stock ecu wow this guy is the typical "wine-and-cheeze'r"
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Old 04-03-2009, 12:22 AM   #22
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His gauges, gps, and radar probably added up to he 29.5 lbs he saved by not using an intercooler.

I liked the beginning where it was making that incredibly annoying sound and barely catching up to the traffic in front of him.
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all that **** cluttering his dash would annoy me
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Has he ever tried to join this site? I can only imagine how well that would go over, haha.
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Old 04-03-2009, 01:02 AM   #25
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BEGi had a car with one of these when I swung by. Owner was converting to turbo. I think they said it made somewhere around 170whp at 10psi.
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The supercharger wine was annoying because of the poor quality sound of the camera. The top was down which amplified the traffic noise in the background made things even more annoying. Trust me, its the camera, my SC doesn't get on my nerves at all like that.

I agree he was over exaggerating a bit, but he IS an engineer and chances are he's answers are more educated if not an educated guess. With SC guys its not about sheer power mind you.

No **** about a good turbo tune makes more power than a good SC tune AND for cheaper. SC's are about power delivery.

Railz on this forum got his car tuned via MS with a DIY turbo kit. He's making 168rwhp or something with full exahust and intercooled. I have the stock ECU with crappy band aid mods for my old *** M45 kit. I egg'd him into a drag already knowing he would smoke me, but I was just curious how our power bands differed. From the start, even with a 260lb passenger, I was a little ahead. But from high second and on he was pulling away. Wasn't an immediate pull, about a full 1 1/2 miata length ahead as we were going up a bridge. Even if I didn't have a passenger he wouldn't have pulled on me as hard, but still I would've got smoked no question.

Point is most SC guys go SC for response and power band. If I cared about making at least 200rwhp i'd go turbo or a high end SC kit which would kill my wallet. Turbo's have good power bands too but for SC's it seems to be the priority.

What Tom said about the thousand of dollars to up turbo boost wasn't true, I feel you guys there. Even the educated can be incorrect about products they themselves have not tried nor owned.

I occasionally drive touge roads so response is my priority. I have more low end than a friend with an SR20 making 250rwhp. He gets me in the high speed sections but on second or even first gear turns he ALWAYS bogs down his motor and he's a damn good driver.

In reality its different strokes for different miata owners. There are instances where turbo is more benificial than SC and vise versa. There are even situations were staying NA making 180rwhp and spending muy cake to do that is more benificial than turbo or SC. There's no one size fits all solution, imo.

Even tho its a turbo forum I still find useful info regarding MS, injectors, etc. I like how you have useful links and DIY threads. If I had the money i'd have 3 miata's, 2 FI and 1 making NA power, but thats just me.
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Am I the only one here who thinks Mazda did NOT spend thousands or even hundreds of hours tuning the stock miata? I'm a dumbass fucktard, and the first time I tuned my car I did it in 2-hours.
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Nerd Note: It is true that OEMs spend thousands of hours getting the ECU calibration ("ECU tuning" as referred to by real injuneers i.e. unlike [email protected]) right. Most of that time is spent testing the robustness of the calibration under all variations of atmospheric conditions and drive cycles. While you might have spent two hours getting a basic fuel map, drive up to Colorado and watch how poorly your car will run. Emissions compliance also eats up a huge majority of calibration engineering hours.

Unfortunately for Tom, the pretense for which he uses this fact is completely false. Once you tack on additional hardware like a supercharger which totally changes intake tract characteristics (even out of boost), all the tuning that Mazda has done is laid to waste. The ONLY thing that's good from the stock calibration is the idle speed control.
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blah blah blah, my *** hurts...superchargers are the shiznit

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The supercharger wine was annoying because of the poor quality sound of the camera. The top was down which amplified the traffic noise in the background made things even more annoying. Trust me, its the camera, my SC doesn't get on my nerves at all like that.

I agree he was over exaggerating a bit, but he IS an engineer and chances are he's answers are more educated if not an educated guess. With SC guys its not about sheer power mind you.

No **** about a good turbo tune makes more power than a good SC tune AND for cheaper. SC's are about power delivery.

Railz on this forum got his car tuned via MS with a DIY turbo kit. He's making 168rwhp or something with full exahust and intercooled. I have the stock ECU with crappy band aid mods for my old *** M45 kit. I egg'd him into a drag already knowing he would smoke me, but I was just curious how our power bands differed. From the start, even with a 260lb passenger, I was a little ahead. But from high second and on he was pulling away. Wasn't an immediate pull, about a full 1 1/2 miata length ahead as we were going up a bridge. Even if I didn't have a passenger he wouldn't have pulled on me as hard, but still I would've got smoked no question.

Point is most SC guys go SC for response and power band. If I cared about making at least 200rwhp i'd go turbo or a high end SC kit which would kill my wallet. Turbo's have good power bands too but for SC's it seems to be the priority.

What Tom said about the thousand of dollars to up turbo boost wasn't true, I feel you guys there. Even the educated can be incorrect about products they themselves have not tried nor owned.

I occasionally drive touge roads so response is my priority. I have more low end than a friend with an SR20 making 250rwhp. He gets me in the high speed sections but on second or even first gear turns he ALWAYS bogs down his motor and he's a damn good driver.

In reality its different strokes for different miata owners. There are instances where turbo is more benificial than SC and vise versa. There are even situations were staying NA making 180rwhp and spending muy cake to do that is more benificial than turbo or SC. There's no one size fits all solution, imo.

Even tho its a turbo forum I still find useful info regarding MS, injectors, etc. I like how you have useful links and DIY threads. If I had the money i'd have 3 miata's, 2 FI and 1 making NA power, but thats just me.
We don't give a **** if it gets on your nerves because you're a virgin, and you'll die that way.

Even if he "is an engineer" he's a "******* retard" and wrong all the ******* time...and most likely a virgin too.

SC power delivery is about power and torque never delivering.

168whp is ******* sad. Its even more sad if that's on a dynojet. You're sad.

No one gives a **** about "throttle response and powerband" myth. Everyone here put down a prettier dyno than yours, and we don't care that SC people think "no torque" is "awesome" because it never feels like the car moves.

Your friend with the 240 is not a good driver, because no "good driver" has ever driven a 240. 250whp on a ricer dyno in a big, bloated 240 is not fast, and never will be.

You've never driven a "touge" road because "you're a ------" and never driven in Japan, and you're probably one of those ******** who thinks he's Schumacher because he bought a pre-release ticket to a fast and furious movie and drove up a mountain road.

There is a "one-size fits all" solution and its called you not posting on this forum anymore. We have better **** to do with our time than read your bullshit SC/turbo comparison because everyone here is more intelligent than you, better looking, and has larger genitals.

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Old 04-03-2009, 01:19 AM   #30
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Nerd Note: It is true that OEMs spend thousands of hours getting the ECU calibration ("ECU tuning" as referred to by real injuneers i.e. unlike [email protected]) right. Most of that time is spent testing the robustness of the calibration under all variations of atmospheric conditions and drive cycles. While you might have spent two hours getting a basic fuel map, drive up to Colorado and watch how poorly your car will run. Emissions compliance also eats up a huge majority of calibration engineering hours.
I'm pretty sure they're not spending 1000 hours on that ****. Its not like its the first time an enginerd touched the equipment or concept. I only spent about an hour in your girlfriend because I'm familiar with the equipment.
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That **** is not even funny. You're even contradicting yourself within two consecutive sentences. Why the **** would you spend one hour in my girlfriend if you're familiar with your equipment?
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That **** is not even funny. You're even contradicting yourself within two consecutive sentences. Why the **** would you spend one hour in my girlfriend if you're familiar with your equipment?
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Aren't you the guy who suggested i should put AFR at 10.0:1 and advance spark further, past 28* because you didn't think I was at MBT?
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Hustler,the stuff you post sometimes is ******* hilarious!!!!!


......very entertaining
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Aren't you the guy who suggested i should put AFR at 10.0:1 and advance spark further, past 28* because you didn't think I was at MBT?
Probably, I dont remember. Why do you ask?
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How about we stay on topic guys? [email protected] is a ******* joke.
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Hustler,the stuff you post sometimes is ******* hilarious!!!!!


......very entertaining
It really is, I was laughing my *** off over him quoting me

Truly funny ****, Hustler you should be a comedian or work on fox news or something. I can't get enough of it HAHAHAHHAHAHA.
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Probably, I dont remember. Why do you ask?
just wanted to see if the guy correcting my inference was the same guy who thinks i should get more spark advance than 28* at 15psi/260whp.
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It really is, I was laughing my *** off over him quoting me

Truly funny ****, Hustler you should be a comedian or work on fox news or something. I can't get enough of it HAHAHAHHAHAHA.
keep going on and on about the difference between blowers and turboz becuz wheeve [email protected] endured this bullshit ricer garbage before. Seriously, its such a cutting edge, fresh topic that you should use more bandwidth discussing it.
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omfg that makes me wanna cry.
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keep going on and on about the difference between blowers and turboz becuz wheeve [email protected] endured this bullshit ricer garbage before. Seriously, its such a cutting edge, fresh topic that you should use more bandwidth discussing it.
moar!!!! Lmao!!!
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