MT New Guy in SF Bay Area
03-17-2011, 12:39 PM
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Hey All,
Been lurking on MT for a little while but ready to make my introduction. I'll keep my bio brief, however feel free to ask questions.
I used to own a '99 that I bought brand new. Tracked it for ~6 years. Kept it pretty mild on the mods. Exhaust, sport brakes, coilovers, sway bars, wheels, rollbar and hardtop.
Sold the '99 a few years ago and experimented with other cars on the track (350z, Boxster S & JCW MINI Cooper). Last year I got back into a Miata, a brand new '09. Current mods include rollbar, coilovers, exhaust and wheels. Taken it to the track only twice so far, but more enjoyable than the '99 was.
Love the '09 but now considering a dedicated track car. Just found a '90 with 183K miles but only 80K on the motor. Has half of the FM catalog installed: FMII w/Hydra & 550s, FM oil cooler, Koyo radiator, FM happy meal and Koni/GC. Also has a HD sport rollbar.
Does this sound a like a good start to a turbo track miata? I've really enjoyed all my Miatas on the track but am I little leary about the reliability of a turbo. I've read through a lot of the threads here and it sounds like I might be ok with this car. I know that the diff will still be a weak point. Am I getting in over my head?
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Nathan
Been lurking on MT for a little while but ready to make my introduction. I'll keep my bio brief, however feel free to ask questions.
I used to own a '99 that I bought brand new. Tracked it for ~6 years. Kept it pretty mild on the mods. Exhaust, sport brakes, coilovers, sway bars, wheels, rollbar and hardtop.
Sold the '99 a few years ago and experimented with other cars on the track (350z, Boxster S & JCW MINI Cooper). Last year I got back into a Miata, a brand new '09. Current mods include rollbar, coilovers, exhaust and wheels. Taken it to the track only twice so far, but more enjoyable than the '99 was.
Love the '09 but now considering a dedicated track car. Just found a '90 with 183K miles but only 80K on the motor. Has half of the FM catalog installed: FMII w/Hydra & 550s, FM oil cooler, Koyo radiator, FM happy meal and Koni/GC. Also has a HD sport rollbar.
Does this sound a like a good start to a turbo track miata? I've really enjoyed all my Miatas on the track but am I little leary about the reliability of a turbo. I've read through a lot of the threads here and it sounds like I might be ok with this car. I know that the diff will still be a weak point. Am I getting in over my head?
TIA
Nathan
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03-17-2011, 12:55 PM
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If it still has the stock diff that will defiantly be a weak point, but if the price is right it doesn't sound like a bad starting point. For the track you may need to change the studs on the mani of that car to keep them from getting loose, but other than that there are a lot of us track guys that have very little problems with our cars.
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03-17-2011, 01:06 PM
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fm2 is always a good starting point.
if its in great shape and has tons of parts already on it all you'll need to do is the normal "track prep" stuff like inconel studs, good diff, good brakes, and possibly re-route the coolant (unless all that is already done) and you're set.
Hit up Gotpsi? or Savington and his crew and they'll get you set up with the quickness.
if its in great shape and has tons of parts already on it all you'll need to do is the normal "track prep" stuff like inconel studs, good diff, good brakes, and possibly re-route the coolant (unless all that is already done) and you're set.
Hit up Gotpsi? or Savington and his crew and they'll get you set up with the quickness.
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03-17-2011, 02:54 PM
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If its a track only car (and your brave), run it till it breaks. I ran mine for 2 years and it never broke. I just swapped over when the parts came free or close to it.
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Well the brave part is because of the worst case scenario. Say your at Thunderhill and your going around turn 8 at about 100mph and it just decides to lock up when it brakes or turn 10 at Infineon and it puts you into a wall. Or it could just strip gears and be done but you never know. And unfortunately a torsen swap is the most expensive thing to do when it comes to these cars. There are less expensive options like the rx7 diff in a open housing though.
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03-18-2011, 12:09 AM
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Well the brave part is because of the worst case scenario. Say your at Thunderhill and your going around turn 8 at about 100mph and it just decides to lock up when it brakes or turn 10 at Infineon and it puts you into a wall. Or it could just strip gears and be done but you never know. And unfortunately a torsen swap is the most expensive thing to do when it comes to these cars. There are less expensive options like the rx7 diff in a open housing though.
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03-18-2011, 12:16 PM
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Haha, welcome to all BAMOans.
Why is the 09 more enjoyable at the track than the 99 was?
As for "turbo reliability" - it's got to do with heat generated, simply from the power production. As mentioned in an earlier post, you may start to have perpetual turbo-to-manifold-studs loosening issues, and the proven fix is to upgrade them with roughly Trackspeed Inconel studs (may be cheaper). They do require that the manifold holes be redrilled and tapped for the larger diameters (not a big deal).
Aside from that, big fans, and a 6 speed (if making big torque, >12 psi on a 99+ or >18 psi on a 1.6)
Cheapest big brakes are the 01+ factory "big brakes" - I've got a front set for sale
Why is the 09 more enjoyable at the track than the 99 was?
As for "turbo reliability" - it's got to do with heat generated, simply from the power production. As mentioned in an earlier post, you may start to have perpetual turbo-to-manifold-studs loosening issues, and the proven fix is to upgrade them with roughly Trackspeed Inconel studs (may be cheaper). They do require that the manifold holes be redrilled and tapped for the larger diameters (not a big deal).
Aside from that, big fans, and a 6 speed (if making big torque, >12 psi on a 99+ or >18 psi on a 1.6)
Cheapest big brakes are the 01+ factory "big brakes" - I've got a front set for sale
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03-18-2011, 12:44 PM
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Haha, welcome to all BAMOans.
Why is the 09 more enjoyable at the track than the 99 was?
As for "turbo reliability" - it's got to do with heat generated, simply from the power production. As mentioned in an earlier post, you may start to have perpetual turbo-to-manifold-studs loosening issues, and the proven fix is to upgrade them with roughly Trackspeed Inconel studs (may be cheaper). They do require that the manifold holes be redrilled and tapped for the larger diameters (not a big deal).
Aside from that, big fans, and a 6 speed (if making big torque, >12 psi on a 99+ or >18 psi on a 1.6)
Cheapest big brakes are the 01+ factory "big brakes" - I've got a front set for sale
Why is the 09 more enjoyable at the track than the 99 was?
As for "turbo reliability" - it's got to do with heat generated, simply from the power production. As mentioned in an earlier post, you may start to have perpetual turbo-to-manifold-studs loosening issues, and the proven fix is to upgrade them with roughly Trackspeed Inconel studs (may be cheaper). They do require that the manifold holes be redrilled and tapped for the larger diameters (not a big deal).
Aside from that, big fans, and a 6 speed (if making big torque, >12 psi on a 99+ or >18 psi on a 1.6)
Cheapest big brakes are the 01+ factory "big brakes" - I've got a front set for sale
'09 > '99, IMO, stiffer chassis, better powerband, better brakes and bigger trunk which means easier to pack for the track.
The studs seem to be another thing to watch out for. I'm not looking to make big power, or at least I say that now. The car is a 1.6 w/GT2554R. I'm thinking 200 hp, 2K lbs would make for a fairly reliable and fun track miata.
I'll keep you in mind when I'm ready for some brakes.
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