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Old 01-13-2009, 03:41 PM   #101
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the term is naturally aspirated. Your car still breathes even if it isn't force fed. Still looks a little lean to me under 60kpa unless you have advanced the timing and have an egt gauge.
it's fine at 60kpa. go look at your datalogs and see how much time you spend at 60 kpa.
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Old 01-13-2009, 07:42 PM   #102
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Thanks for the input guys !

Yes, I would like to go Turbo but it is going to be a while still.
aim for 13.2 or so at WOT just to be safe. 13.6 seems right on the edge to me, but then again I'm not a pro at tuning. My car feels like its bogging if it runs that lean at wot, but then again my car is a little different.
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Old 01-17-2009, 01:44 PM   #105
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12x12?

In MLV change 'afrBins1' to 'Default AFR'. It's MLV only for it to tune with.
**** me running.

Awesome.
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Old 01-18-2009, 08:17 AM   #106
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sounds hard work can you stand still?
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Old 01-18-2009, 09:02 AM   #107
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Just for the record this was my AFR target table on my JRSC 1.6 NA:



I've also exported it as VEX format.
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Old 02-01-2009, 11:37 PM   #108
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You guys ever have MLV lean out the VE tables wayyy too much ?

In other words, I make sure I have the right AFR table in MLV, run VE Analyzer etc and the numbers are sporadically low and it even changes the idle bins despite the RPM filter.

We checked the LC 1 with two lap tops , one running MT and the other Log works

Any ideas ? Am I doing something stupid ?

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Old 02-02-2009, 03:51 AM   #109
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Are your tables set to 'soft'? The harder they are, the more resistant to large changes they will be.
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Are your tables set to 'soft'? The harder they are, the more resistant to large changes they will be.

You mean VE Analyzer ? I have it set to "easy".

Thanks
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You only want it on "easy" when you're first roughing in the map. If it's anywhere close to decent, start moving down to the more stringent choices.

Even on "very hard" I find MLV wanting to make changes that are larger than necessary, particularly in the part throttle cells. It will sometimes suggest a 6 point change where only 1 or 2 is necessary. Since my map is fairly well dialed in by this point, I'll run it on "very hard" then go back and manually edit the changes so I allow it to adjust a cell a max of 2 points richer or 1 point leaner. It would be cool if they had a custom field where you could specify the max change per cell.
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You only want it on "easy" when you're first roughing in the map. If it's anywhere close to decent, start moving down to the more stringent choices.

Even on "very hard" I find MLV wanting to make changes that are larger than necessary, particularly in the part throttle cells. It will sometimes suggest a 6 point change where only 1 or 2 is necessary. Since my map is fairly well dialed in by this point, I'll run it on "very hard" then go back and manually edit the changes so I allow it to adjust a cell a max of 2 points richer or 1 point leaner. It would be cool if they had a custom field where you could specify the max change per cell.

Thanks Scott I appreciate your reply. It gets lonely here at the bottom

I ran the same 3 logs thru VE analyzer this morning and applied the changes to a copy of one of my MSQs. The filter was set to 1500 RPM and I also put in a 30KPA filter but I don't know if they both work. The values seemed to have been moved toward lean and some of the idle cells got affected despite the filter.

Yesterday after the same 3 logs I could see by watching my A/f gauge that my A/F off idle no load at 3000 to 4500 RPM read much less than stoich.

This is what has me doubting what MLV - VE analyzer does

I can change the setting to normal or hard if that will help .....
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Can you share your log and MSQ with us?
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Can you share your log and MSQ with us?
Thanks Joe.

This is one log and the MSQ after the changes from all 3 logs. first one MLV set to easy and the next two on normal- hard.

BTW I sent you a pm that may explain in more detail

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File Type: msq Tuner 4 200902021043.msq (35.1 KB, 68 views)
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are you analyzing the same datalog session multiple times?
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are you analyzing the same datalog session multiple times?
No, I am referencing the same MSQ each time and accepting the changes each time. but I think I know where you are coming from......

Some people create separate MSQs when they accept the changes. I load the same msq into the ECU each time, log, analyze etc

Are you thinking that by fudging the above I am somehow compounding the changes that MLV makes ?


Thanks Ben I really appreciate the help.
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I don't save the whole msq every time, I just export then import the VE table. Saves copying numbers, and I don't have to burn the entire msq each time.
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I don't save the whole msq every time, I just export then import the VE table. Saves copying numbers, and I don't have to burn the entire msq each time.
OK good point but I don't think my clunky method would cause problems. ?
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As long as your MLV is tuning the same msq that the current datalog was created with, it shouldn't be a problem.
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