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hustler 03-01-2012 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 841866)
do not follow the 12.X at 160 kPa at low RPM.

I know you can't boost like that, but I wouldn't put that in the table.

If there is 160kpa of manifold pressure at any RPM, that's the AFR I want with piston speeds that low. This is the "skipped-gear miss shift 120,000 shaft-RPM zone).

What do you think?

redturbomiata 03-01-2012 11:06 AM

after reviewing my current modified version of curlys im going to switch to hustlers, looks a little smoother for a street car, but you didnt leave yourself a big 15.x area for milage did you?

curly 03-01-2012 11:14 AM

That was adapted from one of Scott's maps I believe, so you can talk to him about the benefits. I would argue that it's smoother, but I'll take a little jerkyness going into cruise if it means I get to save a couple mpgs on the way to the track. Again, not a DD, so your choice may vary.

hustler 03-01-2012 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by redturbomiata (Post 841885)
after reviewing my current modified version of curlys im going to switch to hustlers, looks a little smoother for a street car, but you didnt leave yourself a big 15.x area for milage did you?

I spent a few hours on a road trip using the "Instant MPG" function and decided that 15.2 with ~38* of advance made the best output. This matched my shennanigans on the dyno where I made the same output numbers leaner, with more advance in cruise.

There isn't much in regard to "smoothness", drive-ability is achieved in the VE and spark tables. My numbers are based on output and several truths I discovered in the tuning process such as:
  • Output increases with AFR values approaching 11.5:1, the compromise is fuel shear and oil longevity
  • going leaner than 15.2 provided no MPG increase in my turbo car
  • Lean-ness does not mean "faster spool" at low rpm

redturbomiata 03-01-2012 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 841889)
I spent a few hours on a road trip using the "Instant MPG" function and decided that 15.2 with ~38* of advance made the best output. This matched my shennanigans on the dyno where I made the same output numbers leaner, with more advance in cruise.

my plan is to follow curlys advice


Originally Posted by curly (Post 12809)
Use the MSPNP base map. Search for AFR target tables, they're the important ones. I think JP has some good ones. Keep the MSPNP spark table, aka: DON'T ------- TOUCH IT.

Then use VEAL and those AFR targets to tune your fuel table. It's usually fairly rough at first.


curly 03-01-2012 11:31 AM

For spark yes, follow his afr advice though. That's interesting about the 15.2, makes me wanna play around with mine. ABE! chop chop!

redturbomiata 03-01-2012 11:34 AM

Just for you guys to laugh at me, i forgot the Mspnp base tune has overboost protection set to 1.5psi. doh :noob:

hustler 03-01-2012 11:37 AM

The important thing to remember in cruise is that you're trying to move the LPP based upon spark angle and fuel. The leaner you go, the more advance you need to hit LPP at the right spot in the crank/piston's cycle.

Sometimes I wonder if better fuel economy can be achieved on lower octane fuel because it "lights-off" faster. I also am fairly certain that stronger spark can help fuel economy too.

hustler 03-01-2012 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by redturbomiata (Post 841900)
Just for you guys to laugh at me, i forgot the Mspnp base tune has overboost protection set to 1.5psi. doh :noob:

Don't feel bad, I still can't get Jeff's car to run in boost at all.

redturbomiata 03-01-2012 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 841903)
Don't feel bad, I still can't get Jeff's car to run in boost at all.

overboost protection makes it feel like it falls on its face.

Braineack 03-01-2012 11:40 AM

not injecting fuel and cutting spark can do that :)

redturbomiata 03-01-2012 12:04 PM

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hustler 03-01-2012 12:08 PM

Sure. You don't need me to tell you this, see how the car drives. It should drive fine with that AFR table, so if it's bucking make spark or enrichment adjustments.

redturbomiata 03-01-2012 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 841926)
Sure. You don't need me to tell you this, see how the car drives. It should drive fine with that AFR table, so if it's bucking make spark or enrichment adjustments.

i have no idea how to do this again :noob:
edit: if it doesnt like it i will switch back to the previous table till i can figure out the problem.

redturbomiata 03-01-2012 03:19 PM

alright so stupid question but why is there not much info about launch control? i kinda want to use it, i think.

hustler 03-01-2012 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by redturbomiata (Post 841931)
i have no idea how to do this again :noob:
edit: if it doesnt like it i will switch back to the previous table till i can figure out the problem.

Advance spark in cruise as you go leaner, or fatter as you retard spark angle in cruise.


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