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Jerry, can you send me a copy of the MSQ you created by hand and also the one that was causing the problems? I'll have a look and see why, and maybe even make a converter.

I don't have an apples-apples comparison anymore man-- After going through every page of my .msq and getting it working I went back and changed a few things that I noticed I wanted to fine tune, then put the car on the dyno and went to town retuning most of the VE and part of the Spark table (darn winter mix fuel!).

I think I have a copy from before I retuned on the dyno, but it would still have some the other tweaks in it that I made. I an email you what I have though...

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Originally Posted by saboteur (Post 198056)

You can start at step 4 if you use my modified (MSPNP prepped) HighRes 10d2 firmware

This will still be the best to use for My PnP9093 wont it, as its already been easythermed?

Richard,

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Originally Posted by richard_ha (Post 211820)

This will still be the best to use for My PnP9093 wont it, as its already been easythermed?

That will work fine if you have the stock IAT sensor (the Miata one, not the GM one).

Cheers

Ah. I have the GM IAT. What are the easytherm values used for the PnP?

If you check out the airdenfactor.inc, matfactor.inc and thermfactor.inc files from your car's mtCfg folder you can see the values MegaTune is currently using.

Ok heres the differences between the MSQ files from the Extra to the HR_Extra

<page number="0" size="189"> - Need to change from 1.0 to 1.00

Code:

<constant name="injOpen1" units="ms">1.00</constant>

<page number="3" size="189">
Need to add this constant to convert to the HR code

Code:

<constant name="latency" units="us">1</constant>

<page number="8" size="189">
Need to change from 0.01 to 0.1

Code:

<constant name="idlePeriod2" units="x 0.1sec">15</constant>

Code:

<constant name="idleperiod" units="x 0.1sec">100</constant>

Code:

<constant name="idlestartclk" units="x 0.1sec">255</constant>

Add this Just before </msq>

Code:

   <page number="9" size="189" />

   <page number="10" size="189" />

   <page number="11" size="256" />

   <page number="12" size="256" />

I'm not sure if all these are necessary but they are the differences I have spotted. If someone is having problems with their car having this limit and wants me to try and edit their MSQ to save them hand copying the information I'm willing to do it to see if it works.

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Originally Posted by richard_ha (Post 213387)

Interesting issue today. I made a whole new msq with the laptop disconnected. Opened MT and copied things over from the 10 million screenshots i had to take. Took a while but it solved my EBC issue I was having. So now EBC works. But I now have a 3k rpm limit.
I have two MSQs my old one from 029v that I can load and there is no RPM limit but EBC doesn't work as well as the new msq made just for hires-10e.
So the old msq loads up, ebc is "broke" in it though for some reason but it has no revlimit of 3k rpm. The new MSQ EBC works but it does have the 3k rpm rev limit.

Let me know if you can find anything obvious, because I can't. I have the .1nF cap installed fwiw. It has to be a software issue though.

Beware, these two MSQs are not exactly the same, i went and started changing things to see if i could cure the 3k rpm rev limit and I also added a n extra map sensor for realtime baro so some of those settings are active.
Appreciate it Richard.

The values in the HIRES .msq seem seriously messed up in some areas: fuel tables are zeroed out, timing is set to -10 across the board, etc, etc. I'm comparing the two .msq's with winmerge, not looking at them in MegaTune.

Cheers!

Jeff

92mx5, thanks for taking a look. I just when through the msq in notepad and the vebins2 table is zero'd out and the advtable2 table is all -10s. Those tables are all disabled and not used so that shouldn't be an issue. I'm going to try updating my file with richard's data to see if that helps.

I understand that this was meant to be a 029v to hi-res conversion set of data. I went through it anyway, everything looks good and I can't find any other major differences between my msqs.
Going to try the 96/97 MSPNP MSQ modified with some of my own values. I'll report back.
(My text is blue below.)

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Originally Posted by richard_ha (Post 213387)

Ok heres the differences between the MSQ files from the Extra to the HR_Extra

<page number="0" size="189"> - Need to change from 1.0 to 1.00

Code:

<constant name="injOpen1" units="ms">1.00</constant>

This one is already like that in my hi-res msq.

<page number="3" size="189">
Need to add this constant to convert to the HR code

Code:

<constant name="latency" units="us">1</constant>

This one has 0 as the constant instead of 1.

<page number="8" size="189">
Need to change from 0.01 to 0.1

Code:

<constant name="idlePeriod2" units="x 0.1sec">15</constant>

Code:

<constant name="idleperiod" units="x 0.1sec">100</constant>

Code:

<constant name="idlestartclk" units="x 0.1sec">255</constant>

Not using idle control anyway but here's my settings for that section. <constant name="idlePeriod2" units="x 0.1sec">0</constant>

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Add this Just before </msq>

Code:

   <page number="9" size="189" />

   <page number="10" size="189" />

   <page number="11" size="256" />

   <page number="12" size="256" />

Yep already has that.
I'm not sure if all these are necessary but they are the differences I have spotted. If someone is having problems with their car having this limit and wants me to try and edit their MSQ to save them hand copying the information I'm willing to do it to see if it works.

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Originally Posted by FoundSoul (Post 199937)

On the earlier models if you're not seeing the miss with the standard code it's pretty likely you won't with hi-res, but we are more than happy to fit the cap for you at no charge. I don't think everyone will care to, and don't think it's really needed unless you're seeing an issue as it's the 96-97's that really had a problem here, and to a much smaller extent some of the earlier cars. As I said though we're happy to fit it for you at no charge. All new units going forward are going to have this in place, we're changing the spec right now.

Will I be voiding my warranty if I add this to my 9093 PnP? I'm getting the misfire and tacho drop out that I didn't on the standard code. Problem is that I'm in the Uk and cant run my car without the MS in place so it will take ages to send to you and back again. I'm very competent with the soldering iron and built my own DIY which was ditched for a PnP.

As long as the mod is clean, and not the source of any issues, then no, you won't void your warranty making this particular change.

Chad, still looking for a good hr_10e map?

I was out playing with a gt2871r and the EBC on it Saturday :)

Nope, I have a good one now. Thanks.

Heres the mod done on the 9093 PnP. The car runs and until I've driven it I wont be able to check its OK still.

Front of board
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...h_15ea74fc.jpg

Back of board
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...h_d7def4e2.jpg

Front of board (green hoops are the bolts that need undoing, blue hoops are the electrical connections)
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...h_1df03a12.jpg

Little tip for getting the nuts off, if you are lazy or cant find a spanner small enough, get a small ally tube and just give it a smack to flatten it slightly so it grips the nut.

Yup, fixed it on my 1990 with the 9093 PnP :)