Let's discuss VE Tables. - Page 2 - Miata Turbo Forum - Boost cars, acquire cats.

Welcome to Miataturbo.net   Members
 


MEGAsquirt A place to collectively sort out this megasquirt gizmo

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 02-27-2013, 03:57 PM   #21
Tour de Franzia
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 29,114
Total Cats: 351
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by y8s View Post
in tunerstudio on the VEAL tab, did you know you can drag-select groups of cells, right click and lock them from changing?
Change-log reading for successful living.
hustler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2013, 04:01 PM   #22
Boost Pope
Thread Starter
iTrader: (8)
 
Joe Perez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Chicago (Over two miles from Wrigley Field. Fuck the Cubs. Fuck them in their smarmy goat-hole.)
Posts: 26,317
Total Cats: 1,914
Default

Is there any way to make TunerStudio produce a difference report after a VEALive session?

What I'd like is a table with the same X/Y scaling as the VE table, but with the cells showing me the amount of change (positive or negative) that were done in each cell over the course of that particular session. It already has the data (you can see it by hovering over each cell in the VE table) but I can't seem to find a way to export it all as a single chunk.
Joe Perez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2013, 04:03 PM   #23
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Leafy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NH
Posts: 9,091
Total Cats: 90
Default

You can make a spreadsheet to do it in about 5 minutes.
Leafy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2013, 04:10 PM   #24
Boost Pope
Thread Starter
iTrader: (8)
 
Joe Perez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Chicago (Over two miles from Wrigley Field. Fuck the Cubs. Fuck them in their smarmy goat-hole.)
Posts: 26,317
Total Cats: 1,914
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leafy View Post
You can make a spreadsheet to do it in about 5 minutes.
By first doing an export of the VE table prior to tuning, and then doing another export afterwards, and then merging then together into a single spreadsheet and creating a third table to represent the difference between them.

Yeah, I get that. I was just hoping for a one-button solution that I could use while still sitting in the car before hitting "burn" and shutting the engine off, so I could, at a glance, get a quick idea of what VEAL accomplished on that trip and whether any of it jumps out at me as being particularly odd.
Joe Perez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2013, 04:11 PM   #25
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Leafy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NH
Posts: 9,091
Total Cats: 90
Default

Exporting? I was just gonna say copy paste. Unless Tuner studio and MLV are some of those unreasonable programs that dont lets you copy and/or paste within them.
Leafy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2013, 04:14 PM   #26
Boost Czar
iTrader: (61)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 72,847
Total Cats: 1,788
Default

joe are you using incorporate AFR?
Braineack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2013, 04:17 PM   #27
Boost Pope
Thread Starter
iTrader: (8)
 
Joe Perez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Chicago (Over two miles from Wrigley Field. Fuck the Cubs. Fuck them in their smarmy goat-hole.)
Posts: 26,317
Total Cats: 1,914
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leafy View Post
Exporting? I was just gonna say copy paste. Unless Tuner studio and MLV are some of those unreasonable programs that dont lets you copy and/or paste within them.
What would I copy from? At present, there is no single screen which displays the difference.

Or did you mean copy and paste the VE table twice, as opposed to exporting it twice? Because that would mean I'd have to do copy-and-paste operations into a spreadsheet while balancing my laptop at a really odd angle between my stomach and the steering wheel and struggling to read the display while in full sunlight. And that would be less non-annoying than doing two exports.
Joe Perez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2013, 04:19 PM   #28
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Leafy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NH
Posts: 9,091
Total Cats: 90
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Perez View Post
What would I copy from? At present, there is no single screen which displays the difference.

Or did you mean copy and paste the VE table twice, as opposed to exporting it twice? Because that would mean I'd have to do copy-and-paste operations into a spreadsheet while balancing my laptop at a really odd angle between my stomach and the steering wheel and struggling to read the display while in full sunlight. And that would be less non-annoying than doing two exports.
Welcome to tuning without an auto tune feature?
Leafy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2013, 04:22 PM   #29
Boost Pope
Thread Starter
iTrader: (8)
 
Joe Perez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Chicago (Over two miles from Wrigley Field. Fuck the Cubs. Fuck them in their smarmy goat-hole.)
Posts: 26,317
Total Cats: 1,914
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Braineack View Post
joe are you using incorporate AFR?
Which answer would be most likely to make you say "Oh, good" and not ask me about it again?
Joe Perez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2013, 04:23 PM   #30
Boost Pope
Thread Starter
iTrader: (8)
 
Joe Perez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Chicago (Over two miles from Wrigley Field. Fuck the Cubs. Fuck them in their smarmy goat-hole.)
Posts: 26,317
Total Cats: 1,914
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leafy View Post
Welcome to tuning without an auto tune feature?
Haha.

Yeah, that would kind of be a step backwards to the days before TunerStudio, when we used MLV to do it all.

Tunerstudio clearly has the information I want already in memory, and it shows it to me one cell at a time when I hover. I was hoping maybe there was some function I had overlooked to make it dump all this data into a table in one easy step.
Joe Perez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2013, 04:25 PM   #31
Boost Czar
iTrader: (61)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 72,847
Total Cats: 1,788
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Perez View Post
Which answer would be most likely to make you say "Oh, good" and not ask me about it again?
i dunno.

I'm going to suggest using it. I play on retuning with it.
Braineack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2013, 04:26 PM   #32
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Schwarzenberg, Germany
Posts: 1,497
Total Cats: 81
Default

Go ask Phil at Msextra - shouldn't be too hard for him to implement.
Zaphod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2013, 04:38 PM   #33
Boost Pope
Thread Starter
iTrader: (8)
 
Joe Perez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Chicago (Over two miles from Wrigley Field. Fuck the Cubs. Fuck them in their smarmy goat-hole.)
Posts: 26,317
Total Cats: 1,914
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Braineack View Post
I'm going to suggest using it. I play on retuning with it.
Unless you plan on changing your AFR targets frequently, I don't really see the point to it. I'd have to completely rebuild my VE table from scratch in order to turn it on, and I don't feel like wasting time to do that, since my AFR targets are what they are. Once I have the VE table really dialed in, my plan is to remove the wideband altogether and run on the narrowband only. (This is an emissions thing. A narrowband sensor gives me the greatest precision in seeking stoich- no possibility of drift or miscalibration.)
Joe Perez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2013, 02:11 PM   #34
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Schwarzenberg, Germany
Posts: 1,497
Total Cats: 81
Default

Hey Joe,

I just opened a thread at msextra.com about the total change table:

Megasquirt MSEXTRA / MS3EFI • VEAL total change table possible? (View topic)
Zaphod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2013, 02:26 PM   #35
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Maumelle, AR
Posts: 618
Total Cats: 2
Default

Good call, that would be handy.
ianferrell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2013, 03:52 PM   #36
y8s
2 Props,3 Dildos,& 1 Cat
iTrader: (8)
 
y8s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Fake Virginia
Posts: 19,038
Total Cats: 407
Default

but it's easier to just chat with the developers directly
y8s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 10:32 AM   #37
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,436
Total Cats: 58
Default

For those of you only going down to 20kPa, what does your bottom line look like. I'm still chasing this issue of an annoying bog at low load while cruising. I've tried retuning my ve table, smoothing timing, adjusting/verifying overrun settings, etc. and nothing has seemed to fix it yet. I'm on the mspnp though, which doesn't drop below 20kPa...
Enginerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 12:47 PM   #38
Elite Member
iTrader: (10)
 
soviet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: VA
Posts: 3,517
Total Cats: 256
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Enginerd View Post
For those of you only going down to 20kPa, what does your bottom line look like. I'm still chasing this issue of an annoying bog at low load while cruising. I've tried retuning my ve table, smoothing timing, adjusting/verifying overrun settings, etc. and nothing has seemed to fix it yet. I'm on the mspnp though, which doesn't drop below 20kPa...
what do you mean by "bog"? sounds like you need to tune enrichments.
the only time you'll be below 20kPa is engine braking.
soviet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 05:23 PM   #39
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,436
Total Cats: 58
Default

I've got another thread in engine performance, so I'll try not to sideline discussion here too much. Played with enrichments a lot, but afrs trend to 12 and below while cruising or partial throttle with 15 or less inhg vacuum, and the engine gives a chug. Then it may recover and be perfectly fine for miles, then another partial throttle engine chug comes along.

Relevancy to this thread is perhaps the bottom line should be significantly leaner? I'm kind of at a loss chasing it down.
Enginerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2013, 10:01 PM   #40
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Granbury, TX
Posts: 6,009
Total Cats: 583
Default

Couple of things:

1. You can fill in the MAP and RPM values for your table if you don't like the MSPNP defaults. You're not stuck with what you start with.

2. When tuning that area, it's important to turn off Overrun Cutoff. If you don't, then both VEA and VEAL will recognize the Overrun Cutoff and not bother making VE adjustments.
hornetball is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
1.8 TB/TPS for use with 1.6 wiring Elfering MEGAsquirt 17 12-16-2016 07:44 PM
VW is responsible for rolling global coal warming? skidude Insert BS here 150 11-25-2015 03:42 PM
Worm drive clamps are better than t-bolt clamps aidandj Insert BS here 80 09-18-2015 08:19 PM
3 piece manifold? aidandj DIY Turbo Discussion 6 09-11-2015 06:36 PM
Anything To Gain from Using Piggyback on N/A car? 2000SE ECUs and Tuning 5 09-08-2015 12:30 PM


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:32 AM.