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Old 10-06-2010, 05:59 PM   #21
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Hehe, I have every bit of faith in my assistance from Harald.
As you know, the car he's driving now is pretty extreme.

I might even start a project thread about my little pearl white Hello Kitty Turbo Project.
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Old 10-06-2010, 06:09 PM   #22
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I was nowhere near rude. You just didn't like the answers we posted and then started, and now continue, to act like a little girl.
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Old 10-06-2010, 06:17 PM   #23
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Not at all.
You weren't, but the rest of the replies were.

As for my reaction.
Consider that I have someone with years of experience sitting by my side and asking for something, and some random dude with a big mouth on thar INTARNETZ tells me he's wrong.
Should I say "ok, I'll let him know" and just leave it at that?

The reason we have forums like this is to get a discussion going, and if I wanted one persons answer I would initiate a DIALOGUE.
But then again, your avatar says it all, so I'll leave it with this. Bedtime now
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Old 10-06-2010, 06:32 PM   #24
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Not at all.
You weren't, but the rest of the replies were.

As for my reaction.
Consider that I have someone with years of experience sitting by my side and asking for something, and some random dude with a big mouth on thar INTARNETZ tells me he's wrong.
Should I say "ok, I'll let him know" and just leave it at that?

The reason we have forums like this is to get a discussion going, and if I wanted one persons answer I would initiate a DIALOGUE.
But then again, your avatar says it all, so I'll leave it with this. Bedtime now
I'll take a moment to say that this forum has a ton of great members, with an amazing amount of knowledge in its threads.

However, like any other forum, it also has a bunch of hang-arounds that pass all their time by posting, and posting, and posting. Everyday, more and more useless, pointless, borderline retarded, garbage, that just gets mixed in with the good stuff.

Sift through it, sort out the good members, and pretend the rest aren't even here. Thats what I do now. Don't get me wrong, even the normal crowd will bust your nuts in a heartbeat, but you should be able to tell the true ******* idiots from the ball breakers pretty easy.
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:41 AM   #25
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Not at all.
You weren't, but the rest of the replies were.
I was an *******, then? Did you read my reply?

I mean, I even explained to you why it's better just to use the basemap than to apply FM/Hydra logic to MS...
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:44 AM   #26
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Ok, not everyone :P
Your reply was the one that made me reconsider deleting my account.

But I was left with a bad feeling, and that more or less sums it up.
Pretty sure we're done with this discussion anyway, since we're running with the base map as you said.

Now how cool is that??
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:26 AM   #27
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You're lucky the rape crew didn't find this on time. You would've cried and sold you Miata for a Geo Metro.

Like I said before, the base maps have plenty of fuel to get you running alright, and then adjust accordingly. If I were you, I would also buy Tunerstudio. Their live VE Analyzer is ****.
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What is the cost of it, and what am I looking at in gains?
Does it just make the mapping easier, or does it make it BETTER?
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What is the cost of it, and what am I looking at in gains?
Does it just make the mapping easier, or does it make it BETTER?
$40. It practically tunes your fuel on its own. You set your targets, go for a drive, and fuel will be adjusted to you AFR. It also makes it better, as it provides more resolution. IIRC you can change 4-5 points within one VE value.

Most of us have it.
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Old 10-07-2010, 02:25 PM   #30
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Nice. I'll be looking in to it
Thank you for the advice, it's stuff like this I'm here for. In addition to male bonding.
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Old 10-07-2010, 02:27 PM   #31
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Pm me for more bonding
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Is it this product?
Just so I don't go and get the wrong **** :P

http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/
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It also makes it better, as it provides more resolution. IIRC you can change 4-5 points within one VE value.

Most of us have it.

TS doesn't/can't provide more resolution, that's defined by the firmware you're using.

I have no idea what 'changing 4-5 points within 1 VE value' means either, each cell within the VE table can be adjusted from 0 - 255 iirc.

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Is it this product?
Just so I don't go and get the wrong **** :P

http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/
Yes, that's the software, it's very very good.

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Old 10-08-2010, 09:00 AM   #34
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So, by definition, a nabcake like me can tune my car by hooking this up to the MSPNP through a laptop and take a ride?
I find it hard to believe that it can be THAT easy.

Seems I need to read up on some stuff too, since "1 VE value" and "iirc" is greek to me.
Just found out that "iirc" isn't really car related, so thank you for mixing geekspeek into this to confuse me even further :P
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IIRC = If I Remember Correctly
VE = Volumetric Effeciency, the VE table is the fuel table.

Yeah TS will allow a newb to tune pretty easily. It's not infalliable though, you have to keep you eye on it e.g. 'false' readings from a wideband (i.e. a rich backfire will look like full lean on the guage, so TS will add more fuel compounding the issue) will just cause your tune to go to peices.

Also if your laptop isn't quick enough it might not 'catch' certain areas on the VE table quick enough to tune them particularly for quick stabs of the throttle off idle, these I find tend to have to be tuned manually.

As does everything else i.e. warmup, starting, Acelleration Enrichment etc etc. DIYAutotunes basemaps are a fantastic starting point however.
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Yeah, I will be using the basemap from DIY as a foundation for the mapping, and then using TS to adjust it.
Looking at bringing a passenger when mapping, so that he can keep his full attention on the software to ensure misreadings won't affect the tuning.
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Yeah, I will be using the basemap from DIY as a foundation for the mapping, and then using TS to adjust it.
Looking at bringing a passenger when mapping, so that he can keep his full attention on the software to ensure misreadings won't affect the tuning.
That's where VE Analyze Live and datalogging in TunerStudio comes into play.
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Old 10-14-2010, 10:06 AM   #38
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Hrmpf..

I can't seem to find the way to register the TS trial. Do I have to send an e-mail to them?
I can use the trial version, but I assume I'm a lot better off with the full version.
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What I meant by adjusting 4-5 point withing one value is that in Megatune if an x fuel cell value is set at 45, and you add fuel, you jump to 46. In TS if you're at 45 or any given point at that, you can in some sort change a decimal value i.e 45.2, 45.4, 45.6... and so fort.
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What I meant by adjusting 4-5 point withing one value is that in Megatune if an x fuel cell value is set at 45, and you add fuel, you jump to 46. In TS if you're at 45 or any given point at that, you can in some sort change a decimal value i.e 45.2, 45.4, 45.6... and so fort.
Ahh, nice. Now I'm on track ^^
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