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Old 12-07-2012, 05:29 PM   #1
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Default MegaSquirt, Scatter Plots, and You

Andy Whittle shows how to capitalize on MegaLogViewer's ability to create scatter plots. If you don't understand the plot below or why you should use the plot below, see the following link:

http://www.ncs-stl.com/tuning/

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Great read thanks for posting Ben

Still don't understand scatter plots tho, I feel like an idiot saying this, but the author keeps mentioning the z axis, but where is it?!?

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The colour of the plots = Z-axis
n'est-ce pas?
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Correct -- Z is represented as the color of the plot
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which says to me that the plots up there aren't the best examples... why would GEGO or AFR error change as a result of MAP or RPM?

Here are a few that I found a bit more interesting... Would need a longer log (with some higher loads) to make it really useful but at least the axis tell you something.



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Thanks, baller.
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Nope all I see is squiggly lines, I really can't comprehend anything from these graphs :(

How are those showing me anything different from say looking at MLV and following an AFR, MAP, RPM and TP trace?
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they show you the whole trace in one picture, and allow you to see every instance of the combination of a number of factors, for example the first graph i put up shows how my AFR changes with MAP, and the throttle position at each point. The second shows my AFR over the entire speed/load range.

and you can switch the same parameters into different axis for example this is the same data as the first graph.



in MLV you can see an overlay of different traces but it's over a much smaller time period and is much more difficult to assess over the entire log how each parameter directly relates to the other.
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The MAP vs TP graph makes sense. The shape is more or less what I'd expect, but I still have one question: what do I do with it? Other than being briefly interesting, what good is it?
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Did you read the article?
It explains what you are looking for.
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Nope all I see is squiggly lines, I really can't comprehend anything from these graphs :(

How are those showing me anything different from say looking at MLV and following an AFR, MAP, RPM and TP trace?
It's the same data from MLV, but it's like seeing the entire datalog at one time. Read the article, it explains what the plots "mean".
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It's the same data from MLV, but it's like seeing the entire datalog at one time. Read the article, it explains what the plots "mean".
I did read it, but I still don't see the point/how they're helpful over a normal trace.

Why do I care what the engine has done over my entire commute? When we tune, we tune specific areas of the VE/ign table do we not?

Take AFR for example, I fully expect the AFR to have gone all the way from 11.8:1 to 20:1 during a full log, All a scatter plot would show me is if it went richer or leaner than that, but then I could also tell that from MLV by looking at the max/min values?

I really fail to see the point other than they look 'pretty'.

Talk to me like a 6 year old learning maths for the first time
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they show you the whole trace in one picture, and allow you to see every instance of the combination of a number of factors, for example the first graph i put up shows how my AFR changes with MAP, and the throttle position at each point. The second shows my AFR over the entire speed/load range.

and you can switch the same parameters into different axis for example this is the same data as the first graph.



in MLV you can see an overlay of different traces but it's over a much smaller time period and is much more difficult to assess over the entire log how each parameter directly relates to the other.
So at a TP of 34.9 and a MAP of 100.8 you have an AFR of green, or is that blue, or greeny/blue?

I don't understand how that's easier than loading up MLV and jumping to an area of the graph that has the above values? You'll also actually know the AFR rather than squinting to check you have the correct colour.
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it's just a quick way to check that everything is looking ok - a picture of how your engine behaved over your entire drive. you can't do that in MLV.

it's also a check that you haven't got any funny relationships between TP or MAP and AFR, or even between TP and MAP, or just that there aren't any areas in the speed / load map that need further attention.
Otherwise you're sitting through half an hour of log playback trying to digest all the information that's coming in and remember it over the entire log.

the min / max afr is of absolutely no value, that's not what you're trying to find out - a scatter plot gives you much more info than that
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the min / max afr is of absolutely no value,

If course it is, if I see the max AFR in MLV is 10:1 I can jump to it and investigate why.
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it's because you lifted off the throttle whilst in boost
I can guarantee that my min (richest) afr is a rich spike from lifting the throttle and the max (leanest) afr is from fuel cut.
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