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Old 12-25-2012, 07:53 PM   #1
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i have a chance to buy a ms1 v3.0 with a plug and play harness all buit for my miata for 350 shippped is that a good price? or is the ms1 no good
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The price is so-so.

The MS1 certainly isn't useless, but a lot of features have been vastly improved in the MS2 and 3, to the point where I wouldn't recommend the MS1 for new installs.
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the MS1 has its limitations, but will run a BP with no issues. what is your goals for the car?
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low power turbo weekend runner and autocros car no ac 180 to 200hp goal
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Old 12-25-2012, 09:37 PM   #5
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Ms1 will do the job, but like joe said if you have the budget spring for the MS2 or have it upgraded later.
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Old 12-25-2012, 10:54 PM   #6
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$100 overpriced, I'd wait.
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just so you know, I sold an ms1 v3.0 with a plug and play harness for 200 shipped recently. It was a great price, but that's also the price I bought it at. 350 is way overpriced
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:29 AM   #8
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ok thats what i figured as diyautotune sells the ms2 kit for $268.....i didnt buy it...but for the ease of install i have been considering buying a pnp unit from the member on here who has a sticky in the fs section..do any of you have experance with him?
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You could run MS1 in parallel to just do timing and fuel...
That's a really easy way to learn MS and it gets the job done for cheap.
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**** parallel. It should have never been done on a MS. I guess KingfLeet's legacy will never end if that ever stays as a suggestion.
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But looking to run a piggyback system...of rather just have the Ms do it...I think I'm going to just build my item got pnp
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$350 is too much, but... if you can get a fully built, tested and functional PNP-ready MS1 for around $200...

I'm surprised that no one mentioned you can upgrade it to an MS2. $111 daughter card and maybe some light reconfiguring and you'd be good to go.

You could even upgrade it to an MS3 if you really wanted to. $199 MS3 board plus $40 for a case. You could have an MS3 PNP for a total investment of $440 if you could pick up that MS1 for $200.

And, of course, you could make it an MS3X for another $90. Worth every penny.

As long as it's on a 3.0 board, it's NOT obsolete technology. I expect MS1's are going to start coming up dirt cheap in the near future. Will be a good opportunity for the savvy MS builder.
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Surely an ms1 is worth more than $200 when the kits still sell for ~207. Are they being built for free these days?
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I sell new MS1's PnP's for the fwd guys for $350, but they are new and come with support. from my understanding he is buying a used unit
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Surely an ms1 is worth more than $200 when the kits still sell for ~207. Are they being built for free these days?
doesn't matter; they are antiquated.

no one should be building these at all these days. Even at $207 for the kit, you can make the harness for another $20-30 or so in parts.

While the MSI can work just fine on the miata, the ms2 is much better for not much more cost (when you figure a v3.0 DIY built unit with harness), and then the ms3x is EVEN better and still not much more cost.

If I was on a budget, I'd go for a ms2 on a v3.0 board and go with seq. fueling, with real closed loop code and a/c fee forward.

IIRC I was building PNP MSI units w/ait sensor for $350 shipped back in 2007.
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doesn't matter; they are antiquated.

no one should be building these at all these days. Even at $207 for the kit, you can make the harness for another $20-30 or so in parts.

While the MSI can work just fine on the miata, the ms2 is much better for not much more cost (when you figure a v3.0 DIY built unit with harness), and then the ms3x is EVEN better and still not much more cost.

If I was on a budget, I'd go for a ms2 on a v3.0 board and go with seq. fueling, with real closed loop code and a/c fee forward.

IIRC I was building PNP MSI units w/ait sensor for $350 shipped back in 2007.
Yeah, I agree with you. I recall paying $400+ for one of those units in '09. Hence the shock of said resale value around $200.
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Surely an ms1 is worth more than $200 when the kits still sell for ~207. Are they being built for free these days?
I have two opinions here:

First, I consider someone else's assembled kit to be worth less than an unassembled kit. This is mostly a personal bias, as I prefer building them myself.

Second, and much more importantly, I would not consider the MS1 for any new install on anything more complex than a lawn mower, regardless of price. If the local pet store normally charges $100 for a live kitten, but offers a dead kitten for $5, I still would pay the extra $95 for the live kitten. $5 is $5 more than a dead kitten is worth, since regardless of the price, a dead kitten lacks the featureset of a live one. The MS2/3 are actually capable of closed-loop idle, for one thing, and that is priceless.
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