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Old 09-03-2011, 02:11 PM   #1
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As for the Tuner Studio software, the developers update it independently of us. We tested the product with the version we include and it is at the customer's wish and risk that they update. MS Firmware updates for example may not be compatible with our base maps.


Stratified Auto sends me the ECU, tells me it is plug and play, and now I am stuck with a ECU with a different software.

The instructions do not match with TunerStudio software. The instructions/ manual is for MegaTune.

What the hell is their reponse of update indenpent from us? So they send me this MS, clueless of the software that comes with it. They promised it was plug and play, and that is not the fact.

The Readme text file states I cannot use MegaTune with my version. Then I get that prompt on both of my laptops with Windows Vista Home edition. I have the ports set to the maximum speed which I think is like 115200 something like that.
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Old 09-03-2011, 06:07 PM   #2
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Well after messing with the freakin MSII V3.1.0 the whole day I finally got it running.

It was the damn cable provided by the company that does not work. I had an old USBtoserial cable from an E-Manage piggy back from long time ago, installed my cable and walla, successful connection with correct firmware.









I dont understand why on this picture it shows 8 cylinders...

I will include a few links that help a lot:

Serial to USB drivers

MS troubleshooting

TunerStudio

And a valuable tool, portcheck.exe

Portceck.exe download zip
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it always shows 8 cylinders on that screen, it's merely a req_fuel calculator and those are the defaults.
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I loaded the map given to Gregg by Brain and the above settings are enabled.



Then I load the basemap that came with th Megasquirt and all the adjustments are disabled, very strange.

I wish there would be a book that would explain what is each setting for, each of the tables, how to make adjustments and at least things one should prevent at all cost. Throwing out a software to be sold, but then is like good luck and start reading online byach!

I lost count of how many sites I got under my Favs/MS links... lol
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Old 09-03-2011, 10:47 PM   #5
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A few questions:

Why do all MS show 7000 settings, and not 7500 or more? Just in case one has high profile cams etc.

Where do I find volumetric efficiency on TunerStudio?

Can I see vacuum readings on Megasquirt?

On a stock BP engine (1.8) what should volumetric efficiency be?

How do I set Controller Authority EGO on a stock engine?

Isnt AFR suppose to be working showing AFM readings?

Whats the difference between Use table and Fixed Timing?

What is cranking dwell, dwell type?

Whats the difference between soft/hard rev limiter? I changed them to 3000, revved the engine and it did not limit...

... and does anyone has a base map for a 1.8 dohc BP engine, completely stock, no bolt ons?

On a side note: Is it annoying to see the advertising (spam) once upgrade to 1.14...
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whats your set up in miata, protege, other mazda variant? put your set up in your sig itll give a better idea of things.... on a side note, i got my ms from a local who got it from lex/stratified and never used it, he was the worst person to deal with as far as figuring out why it wouldnt even start the car... i didnt know what i was doing back then so i ended up sending it back to him to check out and upgrade a few things and he ended up charging me for a repair that was his screw up when first building them. ive never wanted anything to do with him since...
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During the course of this weekend he has been replying to me back and forth, and no prob at all.

Like I said, it is a BP engine, 1.8 dohc, sotck trim, no bolt ons at all, the same as any 94 to 97 Miata. Regardless of the ECU pinout, in terms of settings its all the same.

He said he was gonna call me on Monday as he is out of town, and yet he does reply to the emails free of charge. Try to do the same thing with a Haltech or Electromotive. He offers 3 month warranty, and assistance until the car idles correctly.

For some reason the car runs rough, barely idles etc, I am waiting on Monday hoping he calls, else it still under warranty. The cable that he sent is not good at all, he offered a partial refund. Since I bought the ECU he has replied within 24 hours of initial email sent.

I would not jump right away on assumptions as there are so many variables as to why it is not running or starting.

Mine is a Stratified Megasquirt PNP v.3.1.0, which means I need to use TS, there is basically no support at all. A company that makes a software but does not explain what is each thing for. I even did a youtube search with Tunerstudio and no informative videos at all, to make it worst it will not run on Megatune.

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whats your set up in miata, protege, other mazda variant? put your set up in your sig itll give a better idea of things.... on a side note, i got my ms from a local who got it from lex/stratified and never used it, he was the worst person to deal with as far as figuring out why it wouldnt even start the car... i didnt know what i was doing back then so i ended up sending it back to him to check out and upgrade a few things and he ended up charging me for a repair that was his screw up when first building them. ive never wanted anything to do with him since...

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Can I see vacuum readings on Megasquirt?
How do I set Controller Authority EGO on a stock engine?
Isnt AFR suppose to be working showing AFM readings?
Whats the difference between Use table and Fixed Timing?
What is cranking dwell, dwell type?
... and does anyone has a base map for a 1.8 dohc BP engine, completely stock, no bolt ons?
I don't mean to be a dick, but basically you need spend a week reading the MegaManual, and if you still don't get it, you should strongly consider hiring a professional to tune your car for you.
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The manual is useless...

Talks about adding a boost controller, an additional fan, external air temp sensor, changing shift light settings, vehicle specific jumper settings, microsquirt, etc.

It does not answer the questions previously posted, it does not explain for example; if you want to go lean then do this, for retard timing per pound of boost then do this, for controlling the fuel pump, etc.

It tells you blind folded, the basic settings, the manual does not help on how to tune. It is stupid that I need to spend days, months, reading in forums to get this shyt square away. Plug and play kiss my ***, a company who releases a software, I guess it was Bill Gates who made it.


Stratified charges for one on one assistance like 50 bucks, if I dont get this thing set, I prefer to post in the for wanted some assistance and pay less than what they charge be it over the phone or email.
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I loaded the map given to Gregg by Brain and the above settings are enabled.



Then I load the basemap that came with th Megasquirt and all the adjustments are disabled, very strange.
this is not a smart move...do you have seq. injection setup or not?
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You use pressure vs. Rpm tables for both fuel and timing, it's not a degrees vs. Pressure.

You have some fundamental misconceptions about how MegaSquirt works, that's why we're suggesting the basics. Have you read all the stickies in the MS section?

If you want to go lean you lower your ve value in the fuel table for a given rpm vs. Pressure cell. I'm saying the above harsh realities because I've never encountered someone who didn't know this by the time they bought and installed a MegaSquirt.
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Last thing I had was Apex SAFC which of course does not compare to this. You know I can tear apart a engine bay, rebuild it, anything mechanical. I then installed a E-Manage and tinker with it for a while.

Braineak the posted tables were without burning anything to the MS, was just familiarizing of all the stuff, write it down and Google it. Like I said, I am just loading maps and comparing them to TS Lite, but I am not burning anything to the MS ECU.

Ok, I am a n00b and totally clueless about installing this thing, but the only way to learn is by hooking it up.

What I am trying to tell is, (As an example) lets say I buy Windows 7 Enterprise, then I want to learn how to use, but I have no idea on how to change the fonts, delete files, add icons to the Desktop, install applications, access the registry, create partitions, use System Restore, change the date, the time to military format, anyway you get the picture. All I got to do is buy the book, in fact different levels of books, from basic Introduction to W7 to use/manage W7 with Visual Basic, C++, and numerous other formats.

I go ahead and install TunerStudio, first thing is check out the Help link within the Menu and its ridiculous. All they explain is VE Analize or whatever it is called, and if you want to read about TS what they got is a link to their forums.

Ok, it is easy to change the background, view of gauges, and some basic stuff. The TS manual does not even explain that to change a variable all you do is select that box and click the Up/Down button, or if you want to select multiple tables, or if you want to import/ export tables, open, save files. One thing it does miss is a cancel button, ok it does have the Return one. I always thought that if I made a change as long as I dont click burn that change will not be saved. I was wrong, it does stay there and if select send map to unit all those variables from different tables are changed. Luckily I had a backup.

Thats another thing, it does not tell you how to backup. Ok, I know bunch of people will say what a moron. But c'mmon the manual is super simple, and useless, it does not explain anything. To make it much worst they still have not created a TunerStudio manual. It is lame that there is an overlap of Megatune manual, and push TS inside that one.

I dont know what Ve, pressure and rpm relate to each other. There should be at least a glossary of terms, a basic guide to how to go lean, how to read vacuum, which I dont even know if there is a gauge.

When I opened the different tables or maps with gauges I had no idea one could change them. So I have to start clicking left and right Easter egging to find stuff, which it is absurd. I have never used a MAC, or an iPad, is there books to read and learn about them? of course. If I go to the Help Menu of a MAC or Office 2010 they will not send me to a forum and say, her eyou go start reading n00b.

I bought the MS, and if this is the case, so be it then.

The vehicle is very sluggish with the base map provided by StratifiedAuto. It is in complete stock trim, they guaranteed it was PNP and call it a day, hell no!

The car has MAF, and it has the ON/OFF TPS, not variable (that I know, lol). I got a variable TPS which once I get this thing running good will install.

The MS will go later into a boosted BP with T3/T4 with 550cc injectors, but I want to learn on my beater car first.

And then if you upgrade from TS Lite to TS MS you will get spam advertising everytime the interface is opened, and does not have a "do not show at next logon" button. Of course once you pay it will go away, I ended going back to Lite.
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Did lex build it to use the VAF or are you deleting it?

Also the on/off tps is useless on the ms so unplug that

Also the ms2 tuning manual is written for megatune but most stuff carries over, spend some time reading it.

Also are you running a disty?
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lol, i asked but all i got was "BP engine, 1.8 dohc, sotck trim, no bolt ons at all, the same as any 94 to 97 Miata" so i assume its a miata with no disty...lol.... he probably just needs a base map for what ever firmware hes using and held be fine, i think he just changed way too much ****...lol...
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Yeah "same as any 94-97 miata" led me to think he has a FWD or other platform.
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hey ya never know....lol... i asked because he got it from lex, i figured any of the miata guys would have just got it off here...
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Ok, it is an Escort GT, BP engine. In fact when I had my E-Manage and the Apex I would use the Miata settings, only thing is to follow the wiring for my specific factory ECU.

MD323, I was thinking on installing the variable tps that I got from a auto Protege.

It does have a VAF, for some reason it reads zero in the MAF gauge (g/sec) display.
I bought the IAT sensor, but have not installed it yet.

It is a PNP MSII v3.1.0, bought from StratifiedAuto, they are located in Canada. FYI, if you pay with credit card, at least with AMEX, there will be a 2.3% fee for outside purchases (pure BS).

Here are a few questions (of the many)

Can I burn tables while the car is running?

Do I need to calibrate the MAF sensor?

Rev Limit settings is not working, I set soft/hard to 2,000/3,000 and the engine revs past that. The tach readings are pretty consistent between factory and TS virtual tach.

Would anyone know why it is not working? What things I got to check?

MD323, I subscribed to the MSExtra forums and have been reading the basics for now. At least I learned how to open the MainController.ini in txt. I like to read it from there as its old school, reminds me of when I used to make web pages in txt format and then saved them in html extensions.
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The manual is useless...

Talks about adding a boost controller, an additional fan, external air temp sensor, changing shift light settings, vehicle specific jumper settings, microsquirt, etc.

It does not answer the questions previously posted, it does not explain for example; if you want to go lean then do this, for retard timing per pound of boost then do this, for controlling the fuel pump, etc.

It tells you blind folded, the basic settings, the manual does not help on how to tune.
http://www.megamanual.com/begintuning.htm#fuel

http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/tune.htm

If you consider those links to be "useless", my only advice is to hire a professional tuner. You may think it's 'stupid' to read and educate yourself, but that's what the rest of us here have done. You're asking us to spoon-feed you - that's not what we do here. If you want to be spoon-fed, there are classes such as EFI101 or various people who would be more than happy to take your money and teach you how to run a standalone ECU - similar to how you would pay for a book to teach you how to run W7.
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First thing is first, I need to know if the ms was setup for a VAF or not because that makes a huuuge difference in how to set it up. Lex offers the pnp in both varieties.

Yes you can burn tables while running, the motor might hiccup alittle but that's it.

I have always used the megasquirts map sensor and IAT sensor so I don't know if the vaf needs calibrated.

Screenshot your rev limiter settings, if its not pulling enough timing the motor will continue to rev.

Ill read/post more. When I'm infront of a PC
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Savington chill out, Mr. know it all, just because "been there done that"does not mean shyt, as for sure you are not reading my posts at all. My concerns are more into the lack of support to such programming platform. If I want to program a freakin EON or NORTEL phone switch, a Cisco router, Dell server, SQL database, Citrix, its a matter of getting a book and at least it will teach you the basics of the interface. I never said I want to be, according to your words of wisdom, spoon-fed!

Found this site, MS Tuning, and is 10 times better than the piece of shyt the developers made. Of course it is a rotary, but gives a head start of what the hell each freakin control it is for.

I am asking a few basic questions to get some guidance. I have read that site front to back and its the bomb. In this wonderful world of softwares, have had my fair headaches with patches, upgrades, bugs, so this is one more to deal with, I am learning for sure.
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