Sure, I have both. There was a lot of talk on using the TSE wheel, but no one ever came up with the settings and I can not figure it out.

AFAIK you can't use the OEM NB crank trigger and a modified NA CAS, so you'd have to use the 12 tooth trigger from trackspeed.

Lop one of the teeth off then follow these instructions.

http://www.msextra.com/doc/ms2extra/...Miss_Tooth.htm

You can add the cam sensor into the mix once it's running off the crank trigger very quickly and simply (i.e. turn it on).

Cost, people are cheap.

Both can do it. What head do you have? why cant you use an NB cam sensor as well?

Yep people don't want to spend an extra $250 for a MSPNP3.

He also cut off the front of his VC so he can't hook a cam sensor up.

well that was silly.

The valve cover was cracked from the crash that put it in the salvage yard, into my garage. Also, pulling the valve cover to change a timing belt is a huge pain in the ass. Unfortunately I have fancy stuff welded to the valve cover so I don't want to change it.

99 head.

The MSpnp2 is also more attractive to me because the case will probably fit in the factory location, rather than trying to move the computer behind the seat.

My ms3 fits in stock location (under passenger feet).

The DIYPNP2 is probably best for you because you are full retard :)

Both cost and development time. The current MS3 design isn't really suitable for a PNP form factor, so we'd have had to create a new MS3 variant. The MicroSquirt module was ready to go, and we could apply many of the lessons from the DIYPNP.

If the CAS is sending an NB-like signal, either the MSPNP2 or the MS3 will be able to run things sequentially. The MS3 has some more advanced capabilities like gear specific boost control, but less convenient installation. It depends on whether you want more hardcore features or easier setup.

Assuming it's got stock 1991 wiring, the Gen 2 MSPNP will be out in a couple weeks, and around $800.

Thanks. MS3 sounds great, but I don't think I'm going to use any of the fancy stuff over MS2 stuff. I have stock MS3 wiring with two spare wires hanging out for sequential fuel, when that time comes.

All I really want to change is the CKP set-up, sequential fuel, and maybe sequential spark if I switch to LSx coils. Does this mean I need to get over it and learn to build my own?

Learning MS stuff is like masterbating your brain and ejaculating awesomeness.

It sure beats the cheese-grader and tourniquet I'm using currently. I have 5 weeks to figure it out before the first NASATX/TXMC weekend.

If it's wired for MS3, you can do this with an off the shelf MS3.

Stock Miata wiring, the MSPNP Gen 2 can do this except for sequential spark. Doesn't have enough I/O to run that, fans, and boost at the same time.

I have the same feeling... 800 bucks is a good handful of money though.

JEE happiness is "my man" in the lab informing me that this will be finding its way into The Banana =D now just to put in the overtime at work to pay for it =(

New sig.

If you don't go for MS3X do you think you'll regret it later?

???

I've got my MSPNP9093 in the factory location. Even with all the relays and other garbage I mounted to it, it fits fine. Bolted to the floor with wellnuts.

This is freaken awesome.
Adaptronic better lower their prices for the 440 or they will sell jack shit next year.
800 is a bit steep compared to a diypnp but I can see these things selling like hotcakes once you guys make em for NB+

I would love to hear from the master matt what the difference are between this and diypnp I am about to buy. Will either one do boost control based on speed or is that a ms3 thing only.

Matt,

If you get the MS2/Extra guys to adopt my firmware mods into the base release you could perhaps wire up AC Idle Up and Clutch PID Lockout Mods to improve the OEM stability for idle too... if you send me a sample device I'd be happy to test the firmware :P

G

ms3 only thing.

Functionally they will be the same; the MSPNP2 will obviously more expensive as it's a pnp and has all the extras built in as discussed. the DIYPNP will be cheaper as you have to assemble it yourself and some custom circuitry/componets must be added if you want it to perform the like mspnp2 out of the box.

So, it's more like, do you want to spend less and build it yourself, or do you want ot spend more and install it right away?