Savington

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Your timing is fucked, and it's probably not the MSPNP settings. Un-**** it.

The_Pipefather

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how is this possible when he says the trigger angle was cross-checked with the timing marks and a timing light?

Savington

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1. Jerry's basemaps are correct
2. He dicks with his timing and the car runs better
3. He sets his timing up as it should be, and the car doesnt run

Logic tells me that if the basemaps are correct (which they are, 99% sure), then something with his car isn't correct. If your timing marks are off, or you are using the wrong mark, then you aren't going to be able to time the car right. Dollars to donuts, he's got the timing fucked up.

Ben

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Common on older engines for the harmonic balancer to get sloppy, hence incorrect timing values would be observed compared to actual. Would be odd for a new engine to have that problem, but if you've followed the timing set up in the manual correctly, then the timing problem is mechanical and not electrical. Are you positive you set the trigger angle correctly? If so, it's probably time to do the TDC dipstick test to see how you need to proceed.

01TurboMiata

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i did it correctly and well i guess it is time to check some of the mechanics, dont know if this may matter but my harmonic balancer does have a wobble to it..... =\

Savington

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Are you ******* joking?

Matt Cramer

Like the others have said, your timing is off. If your harmonic balancer shows visible signs of wobbling, replace it ASAP. It is quite likely that the timing marks on the balancer have slipped far enough that they're giving you the wrong reading.

01TurboMiata

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yepp, it does wobble...... didnt think much of it at first.... its not bad but its noticable.... im going to call FM today, that would explain why the car works when the timing is advanced 20 degree's?

but its works fine with the stock ECU ?

or was i still just way off and the stock ECU didnt really give a **** ?

01TurboMiata

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ok well, i called FM and yepp the wobble aint good and my timing mark skipped on the balancer about mmmmm 10 degree's ?..... so well i guess im going to change it out and give it another try...... ahhhh!

01TurboMiata

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ok well pulled it off and layed it next to the other one i had and put the alignment holes in the same place and then looked and the timing marks and its off about 2 and a half inches...... Bad ? ....... well i found my problem then.

01TurboMiata

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FIX!!!!!! woohoo, now my car is just running rich but its drivable, time for some tuning!

Stealth97

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I had the same problem. My timing was only of by 16 degrees. I did not find out until the pulley came apart at 7,000 RPM. that was fun.

Savington

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Glad you fixed it. How new is that FM motor?

01TurboMiata

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umm no more than 1,200 miles on it......

and thank you everyone for your help!

Savington

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Tell us more about that harmonic balancer. What brand? OEM, ATI, etc? Seeing a failure like that on a 1200 mile part is worrying.

01TurboMiata

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its from FM but its a OEM, it was just cleaned and painted..... they gave me a bad one........

Stealth97

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I'd be a bit pissed.

01TurboMiata

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i am but i have two spare motors so what ever lol.