I thought the mspnp-pro had more features/speed/etc/etc.

 

the MSPNPPRO utilizes the MS3-PRO module, yes.

Frank's PCB is pretty much a DIY-MS3PRO: MS3 Pro pcb V2.0 | Frank's Westfield MX5 MS3 Pro pcb V2.0 |

You'd buy a MS3-PRO module, build his PCB, bolt the module to his PCB, and then install--ultimately ending up with a "MSPNP-PRO".





I had a MS3-Pro, and just soldered a miata connector at the end of the supplied harness, and had it running within an hour.

 

Ok, makes sense. Thanks

 

Let me help.

Right now, we have 3 product lines

- The Basic MS2
- The Enhanced MS2
- The Basic MS3

These 3 lines are available for ALL the 90-05 Miata:

- 90-93 (US) and 94-97 1.6L (Europe and Japan, possibly elsewhere)
- 94-95 1.8L
- 96-97 1.8L
- 99-00 1.8L and 1.6L
- 01-05 1.8L and 1.6L
- 04-05 1.8L MSM (you haz trubo)

- The Basic MS2 is our entry-level plug and play ECU for the Miata/MX-5. This ECU has all the functionality necessary to run the engine without any performance loss (save for the 01-05 with the VVT). This includes controlling the fuel pump after removing the AFM, A/C with idle-up, etc. Basic EBC and simple table switching are also provided.




- The Enhanced MS2 is an MS2 on steroids. It has all the features any other MS2 has, and adds unique features, like:
+ OBD-II output
+ Digital wideband input for a perfect, error/noise-free AFR input
+ VSS input
+ Dual fan control with idle-up
+ Advanced A/C support
+ Advanced knock control with bandpass filters, knock windowing and adjustable thresholds per RPM
+ EGT input
* Sequential ignition AND injection
+ Adjustable alternator control (99-05)
+ Immobilizer support (01-05)
+ Dedicated VICS/VTCS outputs (99-05)
+ Advanced boost control with 2 open loops tables (select with an external switch), 1 closed loop table, open loop boost by gear
+ Oil pressure input
+ Oil temperature input
+ Valet mode
+ Power steering idle-up
+ Advanced launch mode
+ Independently enabled flatshift
+ CEL warnings for overheating, knocking, low oil pressure, high oil temperature, high EGTs
+ TEN terminal input to easily set the base timing and idle
* Realtime barometric correction
* 2 free programmable outputs

All features with a (+) are EXCLUSIVE to the Enhanced MS2 - no other MS2-based ECU has these.




The Basic MS3 - despite it's humble name - is a full-fledged MS3 ECU. It has everything you would expect it to have:
- Sequential injection
- Sequential ignition
- Dual fan control
- A/C control
- VICS/VTCS output
- Electronic boost control
- VVT control
- Advanced knock control with knock windowing
- VSS input
- E85 sensor input
- 3 free programmable outputs
- 5 free analog inputs with selectable internal pull-ups
- Alternator & battery light control (99-05)
- SD Card datalogging with real-time clock and internal battery backup. The SD card slot is accessible so that you can pop card in at any time without opening the case.
- USB and serial port



Feel free to PM me with any questions on these ECUs.

Dimitris

 

I don't have immediate plans to do so. I have a new (V3) design ready, but there's no demand for them. I'm actually a bit surprised as this solution is a fair bit cheaper. Mine is running fine on V1 still, so no need to have them fabricated for my own car.

 

yeah you save roughly $200-250 or so and have a really slick case --definitely the best option for NB owners.

 

We've considered it, but the cost came to very close to the price of a ready to run MSPNP Pro. Currently if you want a build it yourself, PNP solution based on MS3, your best bet is a MS3 V3.0 kit plus DIYBOB.

 

Thats what I have already. I was interested I'm the speed and features of the pro. Then I realized you already had a pro module. Which is 850$.

 

I think adding Rev's post to the 1st post may be a good idea, vs page 3.

 

I have a fun list of requirements, what to buy?

1) Knock detection/control. I was really impressed with the knock sensing/control options on hhammerly's car. I want that.
2) I do NOT want PNP in any form. I need to build a new harness.
3) As cheap as possible, as expensive as necessary

What buy? I feel like the DIYPNP is the value leader in the original post, but i do NOT want the PNP portion of it. Is there an option with that cpu/board that isn't?

 

Yes

 

a microsquirt module/ecu?

http://www.msextra.com/doc/pdf/Micro...rdware-3.3.pdf

 

Outside of the Enhanced MS2, no other MS2-based ECU that I know of has good knock control (or even decent to be honest). This includes all Microsquirt module variants.

 

Why not MS3+MS3x?

 

I'm not against it. Was mostly trying to see what the cheapest option for my needs would be.

Rev, do you do ms2e in NOT pnp form?

 

The microsquirt ECU is $300. that's going to be your cheapest:easiest option far from building a v3.0 board with a MS2 daughterboard at $280. both will require a harness to be built, the microsquirt will need some pullups for your cmp/cmk signals and a MAP sensor.

 

Buy the MS2E + buy OEM connectors and pins + build your own harness

 

If you can build your own harness you can build your own MS3.

 

Rev said this is no bueno for knock things. True?

I don't want OEM connectors. That's added expense and hassle where not necessary. Would prefer to use something like the DIY AT 8' flying lead for simplicity's sake.

True, i CAN. And maybe i will. I think i was just hoping that a pre-built MS2 would satisfy my needs, but it seems that it won't.

 

Can anyone comment on the advantages/disadvantages of the the MSPNP pro and the mslabs basic ms3?