Go Back  Miata Turbo Forum - Boost cars, acquire cats. > Performance & Tuning > ECUs and Tuning > MEGAsquirt
Reload this Page >

A summary of the Megasquirt family for newcomers

MEGAsquirt A place to collectively sort out this megasquirt gizmo
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

A summary of the Megasquirt family for newcomers

 
Old 02-27-2015, 12:48 PM
  #41  
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
aidandj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Beaverton, USA
Posts: 18,483
Total Cats: 1,629
Default

I thought the mspnp-pro had more features/speed/etc/etc.
aidandj is offline  
Reply
Leave a poscat -1 Leave a negcat
Old 02-27-2015, 12:59 PM
  #42  
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 76,399
Total Cats: 2,297
Default

the MSPNPPRO utilizes the MS3-PRO module, yes.

Frank's PCB is pretty much a DIY-MS3PRO: MS3 Pro pcb V2.0 | Frank's Westfield MX5 MS3 Pro pcb V2.0 |

You'd buy a MS3-PRO module, build his PCB, bolt the module to his PCB, and then install--ultimately ending up with a "MSPNP-PRO".





I had a MS3-Pro, and just soldered a miata connector at the end of the supplied harness, and had it running within an hour.
Braineack is offline  
Old 02-27-2015, 01:01 PM
  #43  
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
aidandj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Beaverton, USA
Posts: 18,483
Total Cats: 1,629
Default

Ok, makes sense. Thanks
aidandj is offline  
Old 02-27-2015, 02:22 PM
  #44  
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (10)
 
Reverant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 5,584
Total Cats: 241
Default

Originally Posted by Joe Perez View Post
Note that I am focusing only on offerings from DIYAutoTune, which is considered by most to comprise the "mainstream" MS product line. There are also some excellent Miata-specific MS-based ECUs available from MSLabs, however I am not particularly knowledgeable about those.
Let me help.

Right now, we have 3 product lines

- The Basic MS2
- The Enhanced MS2
- The Basic MS3

These 3 lines are available for ALL the 90-05 Miata:

- 90-93 (US) and 94-97 1.6L (Europe and Japan, possibly elsewhere)
- 94-95 1.8L
- 96-97 1.8L
- 99-00 1.8L and 1.6L
- 01-05 1.8L and 1.6L
- 04-05 1.8L MSM (you haz trubo)

- The Basic MS2 is our entry-level plug and play ECU for the Miata/MX-5. This ECU has all the functionality necessary to run the engine without any performance loss (save for the 01-05 with the VVT). This includes controlling the fuel pump after removing the AFM, A/C with idle-up, etc. Basic EBC and simple table switching are also provided.




- The Enhanced MS2 is an MS2 on steroids. It has all the features any other MS2 has, and adds unique features, like:
+ OBD-II output
+ Digital wideband input for a perfect, error/noise-free AFR input
+ VSS input
+ Dual fan control with idle-up
+ Advanced A/C support
+ Advanced knock control with bandpass filters, knock windowing and adjustable thresholds per RPM
+ EGT input
* Sequential ignition AND injection
+ Adjustable alternator control (99-05)
+ Immobilizer support (01-05)
+ Dedicated VICS/VTCS outputs (99-05)
+ Advanced boost control with 2 open loops tables (select with an external switch), 1 closed loop table, open loop boost by gear
+ Oil pressure input
+ Oil temperature input
+ Valet mode
+ Power steering idle-up
+ Advanced launch mode
+ Independently enabled flatshift
+ CEL warnings for overheating, knocking, low oil pressure, high oil temperature, high EGTs
+ TEN terminal input to easily set the base timing and idle
* Realtime barometric correction
* 2 free programmable outputs

All features with a (+) are EXCLUSIVE to the Enhanced MS2 - no other MS2-based ECU has these.




The Basic MS3 - despite it's humble name - is a full-fledged MS3 ECU. It has everything you would expect it to have:
- Sequential injection
- Sequential ignition
- Dual fan control
- A/C control
- VICS/VTCS output
- Electronic boost control
- VVT control
- Advanced knock control with knock windowing
- VSS input
- E85 sensor input
- 3 free programmable outputs
- 5 free analog inputs with selectable internal pull-ups
- Alternator & battery light control (99-05)
- SD Card datalogging with real-time clock and internal battery backup. The SD card slot is accessible so that you can pop card in at any time without opening the case.
- USB and serial port



Feel free to PM me with any questions on these ECUs.

Dimitris
Attached Thumbnails A summary of the Megasquirt family for newcomers-basic_ms2_90_00.jpg   A summary of the Megasquirt family for newcomers-basic_ms2_01_05.jpg   A summary of the Megasquirt family for newcomers-enhanced_ms2_90_00.jpg   A summary of the Megasquirt family for newcomers-enhanced_ms2_01_05.jpg   A summary of the Megasquirt family for newcomers-basic_ms3_90_00.jpg  

A summary of the Megasquirt family for newcomers-basic_ms3_01_05.jpg  
__________________
Originally Posted by ninerwfo View Post
The “into to megasquirt thread” mentions that the MS3 basic has 5 inputs with built in pull up resistors - and I was just wondering why it would have so many, while the MS3Pro PnP has just 2 (with no pull ups?)
MS Labs: Plug and Play Megasquirt ECUs for ANY 90-05 Miata (NA, NB1, NB2 w/VVT, MSM), including basemaps to get you started ASAP. PM me or email or details.
For support on MS Labs ECUs: Please email, be sure to include the unit's serial number and include a datalog and your current map.
Reverant is offline  
Old 03-02-2015, 06:33 AM
  #45  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Belgium
Posts: 981
Total Cats: 64
Default

Originally Posted by Braineack View Post
It's called: ask Frank to make more connector boards.
I don't have immediate plans to do so. I have a new (V3) design ready, but there's no demand for them. I'm actually a bit surprised as this solution is a fair bit cheaper. Mine is running fine on V1 still, so no need to have them fabricated for my own car.
WestfieldMX5 is offline  
Old 03-02-2015, 09:59 AM
  #46  
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 76,399
Total Cats: 2,297
Default

yeah you save roughly $200-250 or so and have a really slick case --definitely the best option for NB owners.
Braineack is offline  
Old 03-02-2015, 02:38 PM
  #47  
Supporting Vendor
 
Matt Cramer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,329
Total Cats: 62
Default

Originally Posted by aidandj View Post
Will there ever be a diymspnp pro?
We've considered it, but the cost came to very close to the price of a ready to run MSPNP Pro. Currently if you want a build it yourself, PNP solution based on MS3, your best bet is a MS3 V3.0 kit plus DIYBOB.
__________________
Matt Cramer
www.diyautotune.com
Matt Cramer is offline  
Old 03-02-2015, 02:42 PM
  #48  
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
aidandj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Beaverton, USA
Posts: 18,483
Total Cats: 1,629
Default

Thats what I have already. I was interested I'm the speed and features of the pro. Then I realized you already had a pro module. Which is 850$.
aidandj is offline  
Old 03-02-2015, 03:28 PM
  #49  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: North St Paul, MN
Posts: 397
Total Cats: 24
Default

Originally Posted by Reverant View Post
Let me help.

... edited to save page ...
I think adding Rev's post to the 1st post may be a good idea, vs page 3.
ofspunk7 is offline  
Old 03-15-2015, 02:26 AM
  #50  
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,266
Total Cats: 1,609
Default

I have a fun list of requirements, what to buy?

1) Knock detection/control. I was really impressed with the knock sensing/control options on hhammerly's car. I want that.
2) I do NOT want PNP in any form. I need to build a new harness.
3) As cheap as possible, as expensive as necessary

What buy? I feel like the DIYPNP is the value leader in the original post, but i do NOT want the PNP portion of it. Is there an option with that cpu/board that isn't?
concealer404 is offline  
Old 03-15-2015, 09:57 AM
  #51  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Israel
Posts: 640
Total Cats: -422
Default

Originally Posted by ofspunk7 View Post
I think adding Rev's post to the 1st post may be a good idea, vs page 3.
Yes
elior77 is offline  
Old 03-15-2015, 02:07 PM
  #52  
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 76,399
Total Cats: 2,297
Default

Originally Posted by concealer404 View Post
What buy? I feel like the DIYPNP is the value leader in the original post, but i do NOT want the PNP portion of it. Is there an option with that cpu/board that isn't?
a microsquirt module/ecu?

http://www.msextra.com/doc/pdf/Micro...rdware-3.3.pdf
Braineack is offline  
Old 03-15-2015, 02:15 PM
  #53  
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (10)
 
Reverant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 5,584
Total Cats: 241
Default

Outside of the Enhanced MS2, no other MS2-based ECU that I know of has good knock control (or even decent to be honest). This includes all Microsquirt module variants.
__________________
Originally Posted by ninerwfo View Post
The “into to megasquirt thread” mentions that the MS3 basic has 5 inputs with built in pull up resistors - and I was just wondering why it would have so many, while the MS3Pro PnP has just 2 (with no pull ups?)
MS Labs: Plug and Play Megasquirt ECUs for ANY 90-05 Miata (NA, NB1, NB2 w/VVT, MSM), including basemaps to get you started ASAP. PM me or email or details.
For support on MS Labs ECUs: Please email, be sure to include the unit's serial number and include a datalog and your current map.
Reverant is offline  
Old 03-15-2015, 02:22 PM
  #54  
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
aidandj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Beaverton, USA
Posts: 18,483
Total Cats: 1,629
Default

Why not MS3+MS3x?
aidandj is offline  
Old 03-15-2015, 08:42 PM
  #55  
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,266
Total Cats: 1,609
Default

I'm not against it. Was mostly trying to see what the cheapest option for my needs would be.

Rev, do you do ms2e in NOT pnp form?
concealer404 is offline  
Old 03-15-2015, 09:14 PM
  #56  
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Braineack's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 76,399
Total Cats: 2,297
Default

The microsquirt ECU is $300. that's going to be your cheapest:easiest option far from building a v3.0 board with a MS2 daughterboard at $280. both will require a harness to be built, the microsquirt will need some pullups for your cmp/cmk signals and a MAP sensor.
Braineack is offline  
Old 03-16-2015, 12:16 AM
  #57  
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (31)
 
Savington's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
Posts: 15,284
Total Cats: 1,998
Default

Originally Posted by concealer404 View Post

Rev, do you do ms2e in NOT pnp form?
Buy the MS2E + buy OEM connectors and pins + build your own harness
__________________
Trackspeed Engineering
High-Performance Turbo Specialists - Sunnyvale, CA - 650-701-7223 - Email us!
Originally Posted by codrus View Post
Basically I've come over to the camp of "If something is a reliability problem on the track, just ask Andrew and do what he says".
Savington is offline  
Old 03-16-2015, 12:18 AM
  #58  
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
aidandj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Beaverton, USA
Posts: 18,483
Total Cats: 1,629
Default

If you can build your own harness you can build your own MS3.
aidandj is offline  
Old 03-16-2015, 06:58 AM
  #59  
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,266
Total Cats: 1,609
Default

Originally Posted by Braineack View Post
The microsquirt ECU is $300. that's going to be your cheapest:easiest option far from building a v3.0 board with a MS2 daughterboard at $280. both will require a harness to be built, the microsquirt will need some pullups for your cmp/cmk signals and a MAP sensor.
Rev said this is no bueno for knock things. True?

Originally Posted by Savington View Post
Buy the MS2E + buy OEM connectors and pins + build your own harness
I don't want OEM connectors. That's added expense and hassle where not necessary. Would prefer to use something like the DIY AT 8' flying lead for simplicity's sake.

Originally Posted by aidandj View Post
If you can build your own harness you can build your own MS3.
True, i CAN. And maybe i will. I think i was just hoping that a pre-built MS2 would satisfy my needs, but it seems that it won't.
concealer404 is offline  
Old 03-24-2015, 11:45 AM
  #60  
Senior Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Azusa, CA
Posts: 1,409
Total Cats: 110
Default

Can anyone comment on the advantages/disadvantages of the the MSPNP pro and the mslabs basic ms3?
cyotani is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: A summary of the Megasquirt family for newcomers


Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.