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just got back from a hot as hell Road Atlanta event. worked more on my brake balance. Now the Deceleration rate is incredible. i'll wear out my harness at this rate.
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you can watch my lap here. had a real hard time with the trans not wanting to shift, so the whole track was 4th -5th
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I'm going to be super critical here: It looks like you turned in early for 9, missed the apex and then pinched the track out and lifted early for 10a. I've been in the passenger seat at 158mph in a Porsche street car going into that braking zone and I know your car has more capability than you were comfortable using. Stay on the throttle until it is time to use the brake. And use the whole track if you aren't blocking for position, lol.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1256180)
I'm going to be super critical here: It looks like you turned in early for 9, missed the apex and then pinched the track out and lifted early for 10a. I've been in the passenger seat at 158mph in a Porsche street car going into that braking zone and I know your car has more capability than you were comfortable using. Stay on the throttle until it is time to use the brake. And use the whole track if you aren't blocking for position, lol.
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order yourself a RSR and get a Big ass PFC KIT.
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Did PFC reformulate their street pads in the last 5 years? I just put some on the Tundra and they are great. One of the guys on another forum said he tried some back in '09 and they dusted badly and ate rotors on his van. After 2 weeks it seems these I bought don't dust much at all.
The guy at O'Reilly's surprised me when he offered PFC as an option since I didn't know they had them. |
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1308441)
Did PFC reformulate their street pads in the last 5 years? I just put some on the Tundra and they are great. One of the guys on another forum said he tried some back in '09 and they dusted badly and ate rotors on his van. After 2 weeks it seems these I bought don't dust much at all.
The guy at O'Reilly's surprised me when he offered PFC as an option since I didn't know they had them. |
So I can track the Tundra?
Seriously though, these pads are incredible compared to the cheapo ones that were on it previously. I highly recommend them. |
Originally Posted by OGRacing
(Post 1308495)
yep, they changed the street formula every few years just to keep on top. the new 19 compound is coming out shortly. should be similar to a hp+ with less dust and higher temp rating, say 1400* vs hp+ 700* max.
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Originally Posted by stefanst
(Post 1308612)
And for Pete's sake talk them into making the 11 and 19 compounds in the sports brake size!
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97 compounds are back in stock.
PFC 97 compound. good for dirt and small tire applications. low Tq friction levels that cater to lower traction that provide excellent modulation characteristics. good for 200QUTG tire and lower.. mild to no aero cars. yes they will throw sparks. 0525.97.14.44 https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b971411902.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...dd233613ab.jpghttps://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5a7ff18d58.jpghttps://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d3c8cd9931.jpg Click here for more information->*** |
97 compound would be an excellent match for the new new maxxis tire that was released today.
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Congratulation to Jim Drago and dominating all weekend at the SCCA majors @ Road Atlanta. 2 Pole positions and 2 race victorys. Jim races on PFC pads.
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Originally Posted by OGRacing
(Post 1318940)
97 compound would be an excellent match for the new new maxxis tire that was released today.
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Originally Posted by Chilicharger665
(Post 1319031)
Do you have stuff for NCs? I just bought one and I need pads that work well enough to drive 5+ hours to the track, not kill me on track, and then drive me home.
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Originally Posted by OGRacing
(Post 1319033)
for the NC i've been sending padgid yellows. the same ones Freedom autosport uses. the problem with the nc is getting the life from them. the yellows where the only ones that lasted.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...4ac13112b9.jpg what tire are you running? |
Originally Posted by Chilicharger665
(Post 1319039)
Sumitomo HTR Z III's. 245/40/17 on a 17x8. They are what the car came with, but I plan on going with wider wheels and better tires once they wear out.
here you go. use these. the MX-5 had a real hard time on Hoosires making the pads last a full 2 hours. it's a large tire, with a thin pad. these where the only pads that would cut the mustard. on the tires your using they should last you a long time. |
Ok, so run the yellows in front, orange in back? I assume I need to resurface my rotors for these to work?
These can also be driven around town, correct? |
Ok, I re-read the thread in an attempt to be more useful and I saw you saying that I can swap race pads from the current street pads when I go to an event and swap right back over to the street stuff when I get back with no ill effects?
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Originally Posted by Chilicharger665
(Post 1319277)
Ok, I re-read the thread in an attempt to be more useful and I saw you saying that I can swap race pads from the current street pads when I go to an event and swap right back over to the street stuff when I get back with no ill effects?
on a mx5 if you want to keep one set of rotors, i would use a set of hawks. go for the DTc-60 Front and DTC-30's rear. They won't last as long as the padgid, and it will engage the ABS easier, but pad slapping is easier. they also don't start working at lower temps like the padgids. so street driving in cool weather should be done with caution. Hawk HB522G.565 Racing Pad - DTC-60 Compound Hawk HB523W.539 Racing Pad - DTC-30 Compound |
Hey guys, new track driver here (second event on the 27th of April), on a set of Hawk HPS brakes which won't do it for me. Car is 2500lbs, makes 330whp, wears 245 RC-1 slicks. I was considering Carbotech XP12 front and XP10 rear pads, but someone told me about PFC (never heard of them before) and I was wondering what a similar pad would be that you may offer, and if you could PM me a quote. I have a 2004 Mazdaspeed with sport brakes. I would really really like to get something that is in stock, so that I don't have to do another track day on my HPS brakes in this car. Also, I drive the car as a weekend driver sometimes, typically 2-3,000 miles a year, so I'd like something that will be able to handle regular driving in warmer temps, spring/summer/fall. Other brake mods as follows
Singular Motorsports 2.5" ducts SS lines ATE Superblue Thanks guys! |
I really love my XP12/XP10 setup. But it seems like PFC is also a good option, never tried them as I run Carbotech since 2006 on different platform and applications..
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Originally Posted by Mazdaspeeder
(Post 1320033)
Hey guys, new track driver here (second event on the 27th of April), on a set of Hawk HPS brakes which won't do it for me. Car is 2500lbs, makes 330whp, wears 245 RC-1 slicks. I was considering Carbotech XP12 front and XP10 rear pads, but someone told me about PFC (never heard of them before) and I was wondering what a similar pad would be that you may offer, and if you could PM me a quote. I have a 2004 Mazdaspeed with sport brakes. I would really really like to get something that is in stock, so that I don't have to do another track day on my HPS brakes in this car. Also, I drive the car as a weekend driver sometimes, typically 2-3,000 miles a year, so I'd like something that will be able to handle regular driving in warmer temps, spring/summer/fall. Other brake mods as follows
Singular Motorsports 2.5" ducts SS lines ATE Superblue Thanks guys! https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0704d71d5a.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...84c8d4b37f.jpg
Originally Posted by joyrider
(Post 1320115)
I really love my XP12/XP10 setup. But it seems like PFC is also a good option, never tried them as I run Carbotech since 2006 on different platform and applications..
carbotech orders it's friction material from an outside source. they take a big slab of material, CNC cut it into a pad shape and rivet it onto a backing plate. other manufactures bake the friction material on to the backing plate. they use a large press and high heat. the reason rivets are bad is because you have 5mm of rivet protruding into the friction material. this would make a 13mm pad (like a miata) behave like a 8mm pad. the life span of that pad is severely cut short. on corvettes we have experienced 3x times longer life out of a set of pfc compared to a carbo. the performance of carbo vs pfc. Bite carbo is going to engage ABS faster and lock tires mich more easily. Torque the consistency of a PFC 11 is 4% change from 200*-1600* carbo over the same range like a xp10 or xp12 is 20% change over the same heat range. Modulation should be about even when matched to the correct tire. |
Originally Posted by OGRacing
(Post 1320133)
they take a big slab of material, CNC cut it into a pad shape and rivet it onto a backing plate.
https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...94-02-a-83333/ https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...ite-nib-83411/ https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...ar-pads-85479/ https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...-brakes-84770/ https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...caliper-87554/ |
Originally Posted by jpreston
(Post 1320154)
True for some but definitely not all of their pads. Pictures:
https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...94-02-a-83333/ https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...ite-nib-83411/ https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...ar-pads-85479/ https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...-brakes-84770/ https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...caliper-87554/ the dynalight pads are only 12mm including the backing plate. No way those would last 20 min with rivets. |
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The dynalite pads in those pictures don't have rivets. |
Originally Posted by jpreston
(Post 1320180)
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The dynalite pads in those pictures don't have rivets. |
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I know Cobalt uses rivets. They give up a bunch of useful material.
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Really didn't want to run slotted rotors, and the links are for 98-01 and I have the sport suspension so larger brakes. How are they for street use as I had mentioned?
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You're advising slotted rotors for these for hpde guys? Sounds excessive.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1320213)
You're advising slotted rotors for these for hpde guys? Sounds excessive.
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Originally Posted by OGRacing
(Post 1320221)
the parts store rotors can't keep up with the 11 compound. the cheap iron is so bad that it falls apart and packs up in the pad. slots stop it from falling apart. if your running a big grip tire like a 245 maxxis then you need to a just your braking system.
Do you consider centric premium "budget" rotors? How are they on street? How is pad attached to backer? Sorry for all the questions. If it's easier I can call and discuss for a few mins on phone let me know |
sorry nuts here today. trying to get to everyone as best as we can.
-no - centrics should be fine. watch out for the ones from world pack. they have a bad batch that are killing pads. - it's a race pad so it's going to squeek, dust and your wife/gf will hate them. but they start working at 100* any day over 70* they will work fine. any day under 30* they need to get heated up first. - the compound is molded to the backing plate. call me any time. i'm at tracks Friday-Sunday. so call the OG racing super green cell phone. 770-880-7579. or you can call the main line during normal hours. |
We have two cars here doing street stints between track days on PFC 01 / 11 compounds.
It is not your mom's street pad that never makes a peep of sound and never dusts, but what it is is pretty great; a true race pad with the best modulation and consistency of any pad I've driven on the track that can also be confidently driven on the street and stops even after cruising on the freeway and supercooling the brakes. |
Originally Posted by ThePass
(Post 1320335)
We have two cars here doing street stints between track days on PFC 01 / 11 compounds.
It is not your mom's street pad that never makes a peep of sound and never dusts, but what it is is pretty great; a true race pad with the best modulation and consistency of any pad I've driven on the track that can also be confidently driven on the street and stops even after cruising on the freeway and supercooling the brakes. For those of us who can't fit these pads, can you recommend the next best alternative? Would carbotech be it or should I look at others too? |
It continues to amaze me how great of a pad the 01/11 is on track and yet does not turn the car into a death machine on the street. I've left mine in 24/7, even when I want to drive the track car into work and I've had zero complaints. For a race pad the noise is minimal, far better than any Hawk I've street driven. Dust is expected with a pad like this, but I've been impressed how easily the wheels clean up. Even after sitting out in the rain, with a track days worth of dust, the wheels cleaned right up with no funky deposits or anything.
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Originally Posted by Mazdaspeeder
(Post 1320363)
For those of us who can't fit these pads, can you recommend the next best alternative? Would carbotech be it or should I look at others too?
If sticking with the sport brakes, you'll have to look beyond the brands OG carries. That'd be a discussion for another section of the forum as opposed to OG's thread dedicated to PFC pads. Try here. |
Congratulations to Ernie Ty Francis Jr. On his ta3 victory this weekend. Ernie and Breathless Performance run PFC brakes. 11 compound.
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Good guys at Breathless and they sure know how to build and set up fast cars. They're very successful in their MX5 too. Besides the fact that they overnight every part they order from us, we like them ;)
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How old is he now? He still looks young. I remember when he was running in Spec Miata at Road Atlanta at age 13 or something.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
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How old is he now? He still looks young. I remember when he was running in Spec Miata at Road Atlanta at age 13 or something.
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my guys are doing great things.
Brembo is going to be out of Indy car PFC to replace them. IndyCar set to change brake supplier in 2017 Performance Friction has become clear favorite to replace Brembo as spec brake supplier for IndyCar from next year. Motorsport.com has learned that Chip Ganassi Racing, Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing and Andretti Autosport tried brakes from alternative suppliers – along with a revised Brembo setup – in the Road America test in June. As a result of this test, Performance Friction Corporation has emerged as a favorite. The brake evaluation which was blind – as in the drivers weren't made aware beforehand which manufacturers' brakes they were testing – followed long-standing complaints about heat consistency issues with Brembo’s current package. Bill Pappas, VP of competition and race engineering, told Motorsport.com: “Nothing has been finalized yet. We tested three manufacturers – Brembo obviously, Performance Friction, and a third company which… I don’t think there’s a need to bring them up.” |
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a21080a57c.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8359d82e6b.jpg TOM'S Team Claims Japanese F3 Championship, The 2016 Japanese F3 Championship completed it's last round at SUGO last week with Yamashita and the ZENT TOM's F312 taking home the championship title. Trying to get a head start on the rest of the pack, Yamashita, sitting on the pole, took his rival on the outside to complete the opening lap in first place. Increasing his lead, he pulled out a 0.820 second margin at the restart on lap six. From there, he gained an impressive 2.943 second lead over Mardenborough. The TOM's team has won 7 Japanese F3 championships to date. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2009c85262.png |
Ford Claims CTSCC Championship, https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...93b31469b2.jpg Multimatic Ford Team Claims 2016 IMSA Title The Ford Multimatic team sporting the Ford Shelby GT350R-C took home it's first championship title in the first full year of competition, after scoring their sixth win in the series at Road Atlanta. Drivers Billy Johnson and Scott Maxwell's winning team also clinched the manufacturers' championship for Ford after claiming the pole position for the sixth time alongside their six race wins. This is Johnson's first ever championship title in Continental Tire competition. "It's was an unbelievable year," said Larry Holt with Multimatic. "Every single piece of this team is good, from the car to the partnership with Ford and we're excited to see what next year brings. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...20088a3169.jpg |
Porsche Reveals NEW 911 GT3 Cup Car
Porsche rumors of the new 911 GT3 Cup car have finally been revealed. The new GT3 is faster, and one of a kind with Porsche's continuing improvement innovations. Porsche claims that the GT3 Cup is the most prevalent GT racing car on earth--featuring a 485 horsepower 4.0 liter direct-injected flat six. and a PFC braking system. Read more https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...21406f20e5.jpg |
Awesome car. How much is it, as a multiple of cost of a track Miata?:bowdown:
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Originally Posted by stefanst
(Post 1366776)
Awesome car. How much is it, as a multiple of cost of a track Miata?:bowdown:
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Hmmm. So I need to get another 98 to 148 Miatas to trade in. I'll get right on it.
On a more thread related subject: Any chance of PF adding a 1.8l rear brake pad to their lineup any time soon? Or maybe even a sports brake rear pad? I'm running 11" rotors with Dynalites in the front and 1.6l caliper and rotor in the rear. Love my PF pads, but the balance is severely off methinks. And AFAIK there are no brackets to run the 1.6l caliper on the larger rotors. My brother's car has sports brakes all around. The balance is better, but I don't really like the Hawk pads. |
PFC has 1.8L rear brake pads available.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c01ea8950f.jpg http://www.ogracing.com/car/brake-pads?manufacturer=220&vehicle_make=1213&vehicle_mo del=1393 What tire are you using and what pads are in the front? |
225 Rival/s and PF 14 compound all around.
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Originally Posted by stefanst
(Post 1367382)
225 Rival/s and PF 14 compound all around.
for the rival S you can go to the 11 compound. i call the S a cheater 200 tire. |
Thanks!
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INDYCAR Names Performance Friction Corporation Exclusive Brake Supplier Beginning in 2017 https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8f27d1e97e.png INDIANAPOLIS (September 2, 2016) - INDYCAR announced today a partnership agreement with Performance Friction Corporation that will make the company the official brake supplier of the Verizon IndyCar Series. The multiyear agreement makes PFC the exclusive supplier of brake system components to each entry competing in the Verizon IndyCar Series beginning in 2017. "Earlier this season the majority of our teams tested the PFC brake package and the feedback we received was overwhelmingly positive. PFC has a long history of building outstanding performance products that we expect to be a great benefit to the competition in the Verizon IndyCar Series," said Jay Frye, INDYCAR president of competition and operations. "We're excited to kick off this partnership with PFC and appreciate all their efforts and commitment to INDYCAR." INDYCAR began using lightweight carbon brakes at all tracks in the Verizon IndyCar Series in 2012, in conjunction with introduction of the Dallara IR-12 chassis that is still in use today. "Don Burgoon, PFC Brakes founder and visionary, truly understood the advantages and benefits of PFC's continuous wound carbon over the competition," said Darrick Dong, PFC's Director of Motorsports. "Open-wheel racing is in PFC's DNA. It is with a great deal of pride and optimism that PFC is awarded official brake supplier for the Verizon IndyCar Series for many years to come." "INDYCAR has always been close to our hearts at PFC," said Nina Burgoon, President of PFC. "We are excited and honored that this long-awaited partnership is now a reality. PFC is committed to providing the best-performing package for the car and is thankful for the opportunity INDYCAR has given us to exceed their expectations." PFC has a successful motorsports heritage and has been a longtime brake supplier in stock car and sports car competition. Previously, the company was an Indy car supplier in the Champ Car World Series and currently is the brake supplier to all three levels of the Mazda Road to Indy development series sanctioned by INDYCAR. For information on the Verizon IndyCar Series and its 16-race schedule, visit www.indycar.com https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7bff0d87cf.jpg |
What does PFC have for the ND? I go to your website and I can't select a 2016 Miata, so my only options are "1.6" and "1.8"
I am trying to decide what brakes to get for the ND. V8R has a front kit that drops 14 pounds and uses 4 piston Wilwood calipers. So I could get PFC pads (what compound?) for those up front and I found PFC 11 pads for the stock rears. Or Flyin Miata has a full caliper kit that drops 18 pounds and puts Powerlite calipers at all four corners, but I don't think PFC makes Powerlite pads... |
Originally Posted by Chilicharger665
(Post 1368220)
What does PFC have for the ND? I go to your website and I can't select a 2016 Miata, so my only options are "1.6" and "1.8"
I am trying to decide what brakes to get for the ND. V8R has a front kit that drops 14 pounds and uses 4 piston Wilwood calipers. So I could get PFC pads (what compound?) for those up front and I found PFC 11 pads for the stock rears. Or Flyin Miata has a full caliper kit that drops 18 pounds and puts Powerlite calipers at all four corners, but I don't think PFC makes Powerlite pads... fronts are here Pagid U-8023 Yellow Racing Pad - RS29 Compound rears are here Pagid U-8077 Orange Racing Pad - RS44 Compound |
V8R does nice Wilwood kits.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1368356)
V8R does nice Wilwood kits.
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Originally Posted by OGRacing
(Post 1368261)
the only pad options for the ND currently are from Padgid. it's the spec pad option for the miata cup cars.
fronts are here Pagid U-8023 Yellow Racing Pad - RS29 Compound rears are here Pagid U-8077 Orange Racing Pad - RS44 Compound |
Originally Posted by Chilicharger665
(Post 1368500)
Do you mean the only options you have currently? I don't know if PFC does exclusive deals, but Goodwin Racing is selling lots of PFC pads for the ND.
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