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Old 05-06-2008, 12:19 AM   #61
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is that supposed to prove something?

aside from that is a quick miata and the wrx got owned....but on average sti's will whoop the **** out of miatas...plain and simple......but **** sti's, i want a miata
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yeah that is bullshit.....i beleive he beat some sti's, but a stage 2 wrx IS NOT faster than an sti unless it is protuned or the sti driver sucks big time.....we can argue all you want, but go on nasioc and tell them that a basic stg 2 ots flash 2.0L wrx will beat an sti and they will laugh at you and call you a dumbass......
average driven sti traps at least 102-103 on AVERAGE, the best stg2 2.0L wrx driven GOOD traps anywhere from 98-101 the average being 99.....thats 4 miles difference. i had a 05 2.0L stg 2 wrx and took it to the track many times, beleive me i know. (as well as have many many friends with them. check this site: www.sacforcefed.com) and now have my current ride, and the difference between a 2.0L wrx and a 2.5 is ridiculous........
I saw him pull 1/2 car on an STi from a 40 punch. I was behind them. He also did the same thing to an Evo8 w/ intake the same night. That was the night he beat me by 2 cars.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aFZzTCAPaSs&feature=related

That is him racing a modified STi. I sent him a PM asking him what was done to the STi, and I'll post it up here when I get it.
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my miata driving **** is bigger than a subie driver's ****...


wait, what was this thread about again?
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is that supposed to prove something?

aside from that is a quick miata and the wrx got owned....but on average sti's will whoop the **** out of miatas...plain and simple......but **** sti's, i want a miata
Stock for stock, I would hope a 2.5l Turbo AWD car can beat a 1.6l NA. Get the Miata within 50whp of the STi and the only thing the STi will win is a race from a dig, even then it might get beat in the 1/4mi with a good driver in the Miata.

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With all your talk about sti's and wrx's since you joined....you make me want to stab myself in the ears with q-tips everytime I read one of your posts.....****.

Great you love sti's and wrx's, until you have a miata, go ******* get your hard on about them on the suby forums.

Granted sti's and wrx's are fast to begin with and can be made faster.....ok. But plain and simple...its not as respectful as starting with a 100whp car and making it do the same thing for alot cheaper. When any teenage kid can walk into the dealer and walk out with something just as good as what you have, and look just like you and the other 10 million people that sweat sti's.....sorry.

Plus you guys have roofs.....so you every which way, you fail.

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I saw him pull 1/2 car on an STi from a 40 punch. I was behind them. He also did the same thing to an Evo8 w/ intake the same night. That was the night he beat me by 2 cars.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aFZzTCAPaSs&feature=related

That is him racing a modified STi. I sent him a PM asking him what was done to the STi, and I'll post it up here when I get it.
bro, im not doubting what you say for a second....i completely beleive you....however, in my 05 wrx stg2 i have had MANY experiences and at best i was able to hang with an sti, the average being them slowly pulling away bit by bit........what i am telling you that MOST, 99% of 2.0L's out there cannot beat sti's, with EQUAL DRIVERS!!!! <- that there is the biggest factor. if sti driver sux and evo driver sux the wrx will pull them both....

lemme put it this way......we all know how big a difference the driver mod is right? well i didnt even begin to understand till i took my current setup to the track......my first run: [email protected] 3rd run: [email protected]l sux.....then next time to the track...first run [email protected]nd run: [email protected] i got launch control cause i suck at launching it (its not as easy as it sounds) and wot shifting integrated in my tune: [email protected]
noone would even beleive how drastic my times changed with experience, good thing i had like 10 friends there watching and one recording lol.......

so anyways, with a bad driver the sti would lose, with equal drivers the stg2 wrx will never win
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With all your talk about sti's and wrx's since you joined....you make me want to stab myself in the ears with q-tips everytime I read one of your posts.....****.

Great you love sti's and wrx's, until you have a miata, go ******* get your hard on about them on the suby forums.

Granted sti's and wrx's are fast to begin with and can be made faster.....ok. But plain and simple...its not as respectful as starting with a 100whp car and making it do the same thing for alot cheaper. When any teenage kid can walk into the dealer and walk out with something just as good as what you have, and look just like you and the other 10 million people that sweat sti's.....sorry.

Plus you guys have roofs.....so you every which way, you fail.

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awwwwww, did i hurt your feelings?
dude relax, this is the internet: we are here to chat about cars (or at least thats the impression i got).....i guess people get all pissy when someone with a different perspective posts something? lol......fine ill stop....wow hahahaha
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With all your talk about sti's and wrx's since you joined....you make me want to stab myself in the ears with q-tips everytime I read one of your posts.....****.

Great you love sti's and wrx's, until you have a miata, go ******* get your hard on about them on the suby forums.

Granted sti's and wrx's are fast to begin with and can be made faster.....ok. But plain and simple...its not as respectful as starting with a 100whp car and making it do the same thing for alot cheaper. When any teenage kid can walk into the dealer and walk out with something just as good as what you have, and look just like you and the other 10 million people that sweat sti's.....sorry.

Plus you guys have roofs.....so you every which way, you fail.

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And the STi's are starting to show a bad tendency, breaking oil pick-ups. Nothing like locking up a motor cause of no oil. Had a guy bring in one that had died at a local road course for us to diagnosis it. We tore the motor apart and found the problem...the oil pickup had snapped off in the oil pan. Contacted people in Subaru USA and they offer to cover it under warranty if we will send it in to be inspected by their "Super Techs" from corporate. Seems it has happened to a few of them and they consider it a problem, and want to see how they can fix it.
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lololol sorry guys miata>all and how dare i say anything different, people will stone me
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awwwwww, did i hurt your feelings?
dude relax, this is the internet: we are here to chat about cars (or at least thats the impression i got).....i guess people get all pissy when someone with a different perspective posts something? lol......fine ill stop....wow hahahaha

lol.....not at all. Yes talk is great! Different cars and different setups, the whole nine yards. But when everything out of your mouth is about how amazing a wrx or a sti is.....it gets old. Everyone here knows about them and has seen them before....not really impressing anyone. WTF did you expect?

It goes both ways, some sti's will smoke miata's and some miata's will smoke sti's. Driver having downsyndrome or being a genius....whatever details you want. But ****......is that alllll you got to talk about? Sure seems like it.

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lololol sorry guys miata>all and how dare i say anything different, people will stone me


The guy driving the WRX is only 18, and not exactly a pro driver. I have followed a STi on the freeway, 65-70mph to 110 and he couldn't pull me AT ALL. That was with the same mods as when I raced the WRX. Sadly, I only got to race once with it @ 8psi and Begi AFPR "tuned". I pulled about 1 1/2 cars on an Evo8 w/ Exhaust and intake. Then blew up the diff going home. Car has been down since.
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lol.....not at all. Yes talk is great! Different cars and different setups, the whole nine yards. But when everything out of your mouth is about how amazing a wrx or a sti is.....it gets old. Everyone here knows about them and has seen them before....not really impressing anyone. WTF did you expect?

It goes both ways, some sti's will smoke miata's and some miata's will smoke sti's. Driver having downsyndrome or being a genius....whatever details you want. But ****......is that alllll you got to talk about? Sure seems like it.

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ok man, if it bothers you guys so much ill keep my subaru talk to a minimum/none lol...just didt know itd **** people off like that, i try to respect all cars, but tend to be enthusiastic about mine so you respect me i respect you

just for the record though, the only two threads i talked about sti's/wrx's is my first thread (noob thread) and this one...that is all


ps: i actually like evo's even more than subaru's
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The guy driving the WRX is only 18, and not exactly a pro driver. I have followed a STi on the freeway, 65-70mph to 110 and he couldn't pull me AT ALL. That was with the same mods as when I raced the WRX. Sadly, I only got to race once with it @ 8psi and Begi AFPR "tuned". I pulled about 1 1/2 cars on an Evo8 w/ Exhaust and intake. Then blew up the diff going home. Car has been down since.
find me a similarly modded (to yours) miata here in northern california, and id be happy to drive up to 3 hours in any direction to show you what im talking about


till then, lets agree to disagree
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ok man, if it bothers you guys so much ill keep my subaru talk to a minimum/none lol...just didt know itd **** people off like that, i try to respect all cars, but tend to be enthusiastic about mine so you respect me i respect you

just for the record though, the only two threads i talked about sti's/wrx's is my first thread (noob thread) and this one...that is all


ps: i actually like evo's even more than subaru's
I cant speak for everybody....that's just me voicing my opinion. Do yourself a favor and get in a miata ASAP and never look back.

With my official "lets move on"......

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hell yes man, workin on it....before that i have to: 1) sell my wife's second car (btw: anyone wanna buy a 2001 corolla le? ), 2)de-mod my car 3) sell my car 4) put a good down payment on a house, and then? WOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO MIATA HERE I COME
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And the STi's are starting to show a bad tendency, breaking oil pick-ups. Nothing like locking up a motor cause of no oil. Had a guy bring in one that had died at a local road course for us to diagnosis it. We tore the motor apart and found the problem...the oil pickup had snapped off in the oil pan. Contacted people in Subaru USA and they offer to cover it under warranty if we will send it in to be inspected by their "Super Techs" from corporate. Seems it has happened to a few of them and they consider it a problem, and want to see how they can fix it.

The brazing on the pickups suposedly got too hot and they are brittle, the engine vibration then cracks them. At least what we've been told
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And the STi's are starting to show a bad tendency, breaking oil pick-ups. Nothing like locking up a motor cause of no oil. Had a guy bring in one that had died at a local road course for us to diagnosis it. We tore the motor apart and found the problem...the oil pickup had snapped off in the oil pan. Contacted people in Subaru USA and they offer to cover it under warranty if we will send it in to be inspected by their "Super Techs" from corporate. Seems it has happened to a few of them and they consider it a problem, and want to see how they can fix it.
Yeah there is a huge thread on NASIOC and it seems the brazed part of the pickup is the culprit. While a shitty probelm I believe the % of owners affected is pretty damn small. Of course it sucks if you find yourself in that percentage. I would recommend an oil pressure gauge so you can tell immediatly when there is an issue. It won't stop the tube from breaking, but it will help by giving you enough warning to shut it down and not toast anything.

Moroso has an aftermarket pan and tube for those serious about preventing the issue.

Let us know what the SOA rep says.
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Get the Miata within 50whp of the STi and the only thing the STi will win is a race from a dig, even then it might get beat in the 1/4mi with a good driver in the Miata.
Well assuming traction is equal it will come down to power-to-weight. The miata has significant weight advantage so you get the Miata anywhere close in power to the STi and it will be the miata esp. on the higyway from a roll.
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That was our last race, he went to jail for streetracing a week later. Now that I have leaned it out from 8:1 AF to 11:1 under boost, and running 8psi, I have beaten a few cars that he got beat by.
Glad to see you learned from your friend's hard lesson....

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That video that Vash posted is actually my miata. 1.6L stock internals. That was a real Sti that i was racing. That video is an old one though. At the time i was pushing about 280 to the wheel. I have now upgraded my turbo and now trying to reach for low 11s or maybe high 10s in a 1/4mile. I will post more videos soon with the new upgrades.
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