M-Tech Turbo conversions and ME221 shadyness
In the UK we suffer from shipping costs. I would love an MKT, TSE or even a BEGI to stick on my car but with an absence ofauthorised dealers its slim pickings.
The easiest to find and are listed below.
I'd love to get the back on boost but am worried. I'm still running my Emerald K3 ECU and Innovate wideband so I don't need the tuning extras too. I even considered the <hushed tone>IRTB route</hushed tone> with Blink Motorsport as they have rave reviews. Has anyone got hands on recent experience with any of these here? Whilst history can point to form please steer away unless recent. |
No experience with any of the above, I would suggest you look into a kraken manifold/downpipe setup, solid parts, great quality, he is in EU and great prices.
he has setups available for t25, td04 and EFR turbos. find him on Facebook. KRAKEN |
Skuzzle appear to be very very busy at the moment, so you may have a wait to get booked in with them.
MTech may refuse to map your Emerald to suit, which kind of defeats the point of using them in the first place. They told a friend of mine to send his MSLabs ECU back for a refund as 'it will break on the dyno' and to buy an ME221 instead, without disclosing that ME is their sister company, which is a bit off :( Fitting a turbo kit isn't that complex if you are handy with the spanners, I'd say get the bits from G19 / Kraken etc, DIY and find another tuner to set it up for you - drive it gently down to see Dave Walker and get the master to set it up! |
Originally Posted by jonboy
(Post 1487307)
MTech told a friend of mine to send his MSLabs ECU back for a refund as 'it will break on the dyno' and to buy an ME221 instead, without disclosing that ME is their sister company, which is a bit off :( ! What a bunch of shady scumbags. |
Originally Posted by jonboy
(Post 1487307)
MTech may refuse to map your Emerald to suit, which kind of defeats the point of using them in the first place. They told a friend of mine to send his MSLabs ECU back for a refund as 'it will break on the dyno' and to buy an ME221 instead, without disclosing that ME is their sister company, which is a bit off :(
My friend took his MR2 to be dyno'd there probably 10 years ago. At this point in time they were pushing Omex and attempting to talk my friend into it. Having had my K3 for about a year i was interested in the exact specifications and how the hardware worked. I was told my K3 was sub standard by a long way and the Omex would cope with everything. Being an embedded software engineer and quite accomplished electronics creator I pressed for information. The argument fell apart when comparing the processing power very quickly. The K3 has the same brain as Motec M series ECUs (i think M800 if i remember rightly) which is not only 32-bit but native floating point handling which makes it extremely good whilst not to everyone's flavour. The Omex they were pedalling was 16-bit, very expensive and considerably slower in cycles. Whilst i am well aware firmware on those hardware could screw the pooch (if you pardon the colloquialism) it seemed like the companies behind them were good enough to be at an even keel. This has made me cautious of them but they do get good reviews now although clearing the original owner and likely the person i met is still there. I'll let more opinions build before I make any decision I cannot tar them for something from 10 years ago and early in their career. They are likely different people now so i'll give it a new leaf look. |
They get good reviews because they bribe everyone to give them good reviews. There are NO independent/unbiased good reviews about them. None.
This is the one place that they cannot just lie and bribe their way into. They didn't last more than a few days here. |
Originally Posted by jonboy
(Post 1487307)
MTech may refuse to map your Emerald to suit, which kind of defeats the point of using them in the first place. They told a friend of mine to send his MSLabs ECU back for a refund as 'it will break on the dyno' and to buy an ME221 instead, without disclosing that ME is their sister company, which is a bit off :(
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1487328)
They get good reviews because they bribe everyone to give them good reviews. There are NO independent/unbiased good reviews about them. None.
This is the one place that they cannot just lie and bribe their way into. They didn't last more than a few days here. I also realise that this place is den of enthusiasts who will be brutally honest about the issues faced but if a vendor is articulate enough and ready to help they will thrive. However, innocent until proven guilty (as well as fool me once) regardless of the previous interactions. Bribery for such a petty thing is a rather serious notion. On the far more fun note of these shady discussions I am loving the look of the Kraken kit. I'm only a 1.6 long nose so won't be pushing big numbers like Sav or Hustler (was) but I should see 250bhp with some intercooling. It won't happen yet but I can buy the kit and probably some bits for reliability from TSE if shipping doesn't kill me. Any insights into the above would be great. |
insight on kraken kit? seems to work just fine, only issues we've heard of so far is slow turn around because he's super busy and flooded with orders, which is common when it comes to very popular parts
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I've got the kraken kit sitting in my garage. Very nice (but heavy) log manifold, looks like it'll flow better than my old BEGI unit to me. Also came with a full 3" downpipe and full 3" exhaust, including a huge muffler, oil and coolant lines as well. The price was stupid cheap for what i got, nothing else could touch it. Now, I have no idea if it fits, how it performs, or any of that jazz. It's still in a box :p
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1487417)
insight on kraken kit? seems to work just fine, only issues we've heard of so far is slow turn around because he's super busy and flooded with orders, which is common when it comes to very popular parts
Anyone got experience with the Kraken tubular manifold? Looks lighter, flows better but costs more. Suppose I should look at fuel pumps and injectors too. Is Walbro still the daddy? |
Originally Posted by rrjwilson
(Post 1487482)
For someone with a new born that is very much not a problem. Looks like I'm getting a giant octopus.
Anyone got experience with the Kraken tubular manifold? Looks lighter, flows better but costs more. Suppose I should look at fuel pumps and injectors too. Is Walbro still the daddy? walbro is good for gas DW is good for e85 and gas |
Originally Posted by borka
(Post 1487497)
what kraken tubular manifolds? He only has cast t25 and td04 manifolds.
I don't have the wretched facebook so found a supplier and it seems there are tubular dooberies :) We don't have E85 here so that makes it easier. Thanks |
Originally Posted by rrjwilson
(Post 1487505)
True its not Kraken but DaveFab.
I don't have the wretched facebook so found a supplier and it seems there are tubular dooberies :) We don't have E85 here so that makes it easier. Thanks here is the Kraken setup from the website you linked: Kraken Cast T25 Turbo Manifold Kit For MX-5 NA NB ? BOFI Racing no need to spend big bucks on tubular manifolds. proper cast units flow great, are easy to install and are bombproof reliable. |
I've read somewhere that the DW fuel pumps are quieter than the Warlbro ones.
I have a DW200 which is a direct replacement for the standard pump, even down to the same connectors / wiring. Seems to work fine for me :) For a 1.6 with standard internals, a cast manifold is going to give you everything you need :) |
Originally Posted by borka
(Post 1487506)
no need to spend big bucks on tubular manifolds. proper cast units flow great, are easy to install and are bombproof reliable.
Fuel pumps for 1.6 and 1.8 are the same right? I didn't dream reading that over the 16 years did I? |
Originally Posted by rrjwilson
(Post 1487511)
I was simply thinking faster spool, better drive and with a 1.6 i need all the spooling help i can get. Nice to know they are good enough though.
I think turbo sizing is going to make more of a difference than anything else - stick with a diddy turbo and it'll spool nicely - Garrett GT2554R or the BW equivalent shouldn't be too lethargic... You mentioned you are close to MTech - whereabouts are you as that's close to my neck of the woods... |
So at the current count I'm looking at:#1 is quite important for me (personally not functionally) as I want to declutter the engine bay a bit. Which happens to come with the joy of cooling the block properly.
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I've been a passenger in a 1.6 with a GT2560R and I didn't like it that much - it didn't seem to get going properly until about 3500rpm then it all came at once. That may have been how it was setup though (it was a P5 supplied FM2 kit running link - Minton if you remember him from a long time ago on nutz).
What sort of power are you looking for top end? If the 2554R could get you there, I'd probably pick that instead. I had one on a 1.8 a long time ago and it was great - virtually no lag, spooled up from about 1800rpm and drove almost like a supercharged car.... |
Originally Posted by jonboy
(Post 1487307)
MTech may refuse to map your Emerald to suit, which kind of defeats the point of using them in the first place. They told a friend of mine to send his MSLabs ECU back for a refund as 'it will break on the dyno' and to buy an ME221 instead, without disclosing that ME is their sister company, which is a bit off :(
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